Strubes' and x2's Health and Fitness thread!

If you're looking to become a little healthier, or even bulk up in muscle mass, we're going to try and help you achieve your goals. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask away! And please don't feel that any question is dumb, or that anyone will make fun of you.

I'll post up my workout routine later tonight. I'm hoping x2 will do the same. :)
 
I'll start off with some common myths and facts about fat loss and nutrition and I will post some info on supplements.

Myth- Fat and/or carbs makes you fat. This is completely false! What makes people gain weight is an excess of calories. So for example,
if you caloric maintenance is 2,500 calories and you end the day with 3,000 calories, you will gain weight! The best way to find out your caloric maintenance is to use on of the hundreds of online calculators and that will help you figure out your daily calorie needs. These are very helpful to say the least.

Fact- Certain kinds of fat are good for you. Yep, this is 100% true. Poly-saturated and Mono-saturated fats support healthy brain function, joint support, heart and cardiovascular health, and more. You most definitely want to get in good fats every single day! These good fats can be found in olive oil, canola oil, sunflower oil, almonds, pistachios, avocados, peanuts, peanut butter, corn soy, and fish oil. If you can't stomach any of those foods they sell "fish oil" pills which can be found easily. But don't go overboard with these foods as fat has the highest calories per gram; 1 gram of fat is 9 calories, where as protein and carbs are 4 calories per gram. Avoid trans fat at all cost and keep saturated fat intake as low as possible.

Myth- You can "spot reduce" fat. What this means is all those commercials you see about these super machines that will "burn the fat off your ab's" are completely and utterly false. It is not scientifically possible to do. Your body burns fat in sort of a systematic way. It will start the fat loss in areas such as arms, legs, face, and then it will work it's way towards your stomach, hips, and thighs. Your body stores the most fat in these few areas because it's the most convenient. That is why you hear so many people talking about "shedding the last few pounds off my belly", because that is the last and hardest place to lose the fat! So don't waste your time doing thousands of sit ups thinking you're going to get rid of the belly, the only way you will see your ab's is for the fat that's covering them to be gone! And that is done through cardio and diet.

Fact- There is "good" and "bad" carb's. I think it's safe to say the whole "low carb" diet thing has confused the hell out of many people! Most people just assume any carb is bad and they should be avoided at all costs. Well, that is absurd because carbs are the bodies primary source of energy and they are very nutrient dense. So the thing to do is to keep "good" carbs in your daily diet. These include, brown rice, whole wheat bread, wheat pasta, beans, fruits, and of course, vegetables! Bad carbs will induce an immediate insulin spike and that is bad for many, many reasons. So basically stay away from, soda, candy, donuts, white flour, and sugar in general. A lot of things appear healthy such as yogurt and a lot of cereals, but look at the sugar content and you will see they are not so healthy after all!

I will add to the myth and fact section over time as well:) I will do a supplement write up later tonight about the most common supplements out there today and tell what works/what doesn't.



Here is a quick rundown of the most common and popular work out supplements on the market today-



Fat loss pills- No surprise that these are the absolute number 1 seller of supplements today. A lot of people want a quick fix without actually changing their lifestyle and diet. Simply put, there is NO magic pill! These will aid in fat loss, but you still have to be strict with your diet and workouts. I would not recommend these to somebody who is out of shape as most fat loss pills are stimulants which can raise blood pressure and increase heart rate, amongst other things. If you do want to try a fat loss pill I would recommend stimulant free versions. *As a matter of fact, the number 1 fat loss pill {Hydroxycut} has just been recalled by the FDA because it was causing severe liver damage. This is why I don't recommend them!*

Protein Powder- Probably the most useful, and safe, supplement ever created! In general, it is good to consume a lot of protein as that is what builds and repairs muscle, but it becomes absolutely vital once you start working out! When you workout you break down muscle fiber, and the only way to repair it is with ample amounts of protein. The more lean muscle mass your body has, the easier it will be to burn fat. A general rule of thumb is to consume 1 gram of protein per pound of your weight. So, if you weigh 160, you want 160 grams a day. It is best to get protein from solid food such as chicken, lean beef, eggs, tuna, tilapia, bison, etc., but for a lot of people it is very hard to eat enough food to get in your daily protein needs. Most protein powders provide anywhere from 20-25 grams of protein per scoop, so you can see how that is beneficial and convenient! Highly recommended! Good brands include, Optimum Nutrition, All The Whey, BSN, Gaspari, and Scivation.

Creatine- This is mostly used by bodybuilders, but it can benefit anybody who works out in my opinion. Basically creatine is a cell volumizer which enhances muscle strength and size, but, it can also make you retain water and that can give you a soft look, as Strube's mentioned in another thread. Creatine is natural and safe so I see no reason not to take it. I'd recommend good old "micronized creatine mono". It is cheap and very effective. Recommended!

Pre-workout supplements/ NO2 {nitric oxide}- These supplements are usually expensive and VERY powerful. If you're not used to stimulants these will knock you on your behind! They are intended to give you a super intense surge of energy and focus so you can get through grueling workouts, and the good ones definitely work. I would only recommend these to experienced weight lifters and athletes, however. If you do want to try some, I'd recommend Gaspari superpump250, Universal shock therapy, Controlled Labs white flood, Muscletech NanoX9, or Axis Labs hemodraulix.

Intra-workout supplements- The term "intra workout" means during your workout. These are usually made up of Amino Acids which will soak into your muscles and keep them from getting fatigued, speed up recovery, and promote anabolism {the growing of muscle}. These are a staple for me and I highly recommend them. There's really no reason not to take them other than the fact they can be a bit pricey {but very well worth it IMO}. Good ones include, Controlled Labs purple wraath, Scivation Xtend, Xtreme Formulations ICE, and Muscletech Intravol.

That about covers the basics. There is literally thousands of supplements out there and the choices can make your head spin! Just stick to the proven basics and spend wisely. And anybody else feel free to add to this thread, the more knowledge we have the better! Your turn Strubes :D
 
Good start x2! :D

I didn't have a lot of time last night, nor do I today, so hopefully my workout routine will be posted tonight or tomorrow.

But, I do have a little time. :)

Some sites that can benefit you:

http://www.freebmicalculator.net/

Free BMI calculators are an excellent way to track where you stand right now in finding out if you're underweight, normal weight, overweight, or obese. As you start eating right and start exercising, you'll see a vast improvement in your BMI!

http://www.fitness.com/exercises/

If you're just getting started with working out, these exercises can vastly improve your health, and each one only takes a few minutes to complete! While they're not the most advanced, what I like about this site, is that you can select the specific muscle group you want to work on, and what equipment you have available to you for a customized workout.

http://www.eatingwell.com/recipes/

If you're concerned about eating right, there are a TON of healthy recipes here for you. It is very easy to make subtle changes to your diet for the better, and this site will show you how!

http://www.gnc.com/home/index.jsp

GNC. One of the best sites to go to when looking for workout supplements and vitamins hands down. Browse around and find out what YOU are looking for and what benefits YOU the most.
 
Ok guys here is my 5 day split routine. I truly believe anybody can do these exercises, but please ask advice about proper form {or watch vid's on youtube} before attempting. Bad form and over straining can cause horrible injuries!

On Monday I train my back and lat's {side muscles underneath your armpit}. I do dumbbell rows, barbell rows, t-bar rows, and deadlifts.

Tuesday is shoulders. I do overhead dumbbell presses, side laterals, front laterals, and then finish off with some heavy barbell shrugs.

Wednesday is my favorite day, chest day! I do incline bench press, incline dumbbell press, flat bench press, flat dumbbell press and dumbbell flys.

Thursday is legs and ab's. I do front squats, back squats, leg curls, leg extensions, barbell lunges and dumbbell lunges. If done right you should hardly be able to walk the next day :D For ab's I do crunches, weighted crunches, and a few variations of sit ups.

Friday is biceps and triceps. I do hammer curls, cross body hammer curls, isolation curls, regular dumbbell curls, kickbacks, skull crushers, and triceps extensions.

I take the weekend to rest and recoup, but I will usually do some light cardio like a 45 minute walk. So that's it, feel free to ask any questions about anything! You don't want to stay on a set routine too long, though, or you will hit a plateau and not see much improvement. Happy curling :D
 
Hey x2, I notice you don't have wrists and forearms in your routine. Do you do those when you do your bis and tris?


Here's my routine:

Monday - Bi's, Tri's, forearms, wrists. (dumbbell curls, barbell curls, isolation curls, skull crushers, triceps extension, iso wrist curls, reverse wrist curls, forearm rollers, forearm pulls)

Tuesday - Back, shoulders, neck. (pull-ups, shoulder press, lat pulls, reverse flys, shoulder shrugs)

Wednesday - Legs (squats, inner and outer thigh presses, calf raises, weighted lunges, leg extensions)

Friday - Chest (bench press, incline press, seated flys)

Saturday - Light workout all muscle groups, followed with heavy cardio and abs.

It's hard to put certain exercises because I use different exercises each week so my muscle memory doesn't kick in. :)

I'll post up my diet tomorrow or Tuesday. :)
 
Hey Strubes. I don't actually ever directly train wrists or forearms. I guess I just figured they got worked enough with all the other exercises. But I admit, sometimes it feels like my wrists are gonna snap when doing barbell curls, so maybe I should get them stronger! What do you recommend?
 
x2 said:
Hey Strubes. I don't actually ever directly train wrists or forearms. I guess I just figured they got worked enough with all the other exercises. But I admit, sometimes it feels like my wrists are gonna snap when doing barbell curls, so maybe I should get them stronger! What do you recommend?

The best thing I can recommend, and especially if you don't want to spend a whole bunch of time with them would be simple reverse wrist curls. I say reverse because you're isolating the wrists and not putting a strain on anything else that you need for your other workouts. Also, I'd recommend getting some weight lifting gloves that have wrist straps. I used to feel the same way you did, but after using the gloves, and after working on my wrists for a while, I'm completely fine. Plus, the gloves help against calluses too. :)
 
Awesome, thanks! What is a good weight range for wrist curls? I'm guessing probably not too heavy? And yes I desperately need to buy some wrist straps. I never realized the importance of them until I started lifting heavier.
 
No problem! With reverse wrist curls, I would start off at 30-40 lbs and see how that feels. Adjust in increments of 10 to ensure you're getting the most out of it. You never want to strain too much with your wrists because as obvious as it is, they're not the strongest part of your body. :lol

If you mess up your wrists, you're pretty much done with any arm workouts, so start at 30-40 lbs and make sure you're comfortable there before moving up at all. :)
 
My life right now is too busy for me to work out routines based on days in the week, so I do a generic workout and I sub in exercises intermittently to make sure I don't plateau. My workout routine is no good for building muscle or bulking up, its more about endurance, cardio, and overall fitness. It's a good beginner program for people first going to the gym, or for those who don't want anything more than to stay in shape on a regular basis.

I'd recommend trying to do this 4 times a week, 3 minimum.

Start off with a 10 minute jog. I do some preliminary stretching, not much. Then after the jog I stretch for 10-15 minutes, after which I do some standard core/ab strengthening positions. X2/Strubes, maybe you guys know what they're called. I lie on my back, tuck my knees into my chest, and roll back and forth, not letting my legs touch the ground on either side. I then do jackknifes on both sides, and then an exercise where I face the ground and support my body with my elbows/forearms and toes, lifting one leg off the ground every 5 seconds.

After that's all done I like to do bench press. With almost all weightlifting exercises I do I aim for 8-10 reps, 3 sets. If I can do more, I up the weight next time. I will occasionally do heavier weights with less reps or less sets just to mix it up. With bench press, any chest workout could be substituted here, I only do it to balance out...

Rowing. I actually use a rowing machine, usually rowing hard for 5 to 10 minutes and then just coasting until I get too tired to continue. You could substitute free weight rows, but actually rowing for an extended period of time helps your cardio more.

I call them "clean'n'jerks," but essentially its a dead lift, military press, and lunge, combined into one exercise. Again, yuo could actually do those excercises individually with heavier weights to build muscle, or even do a superset or circuit, but this is more practical if you want to make the most of your time.

Pull downs/pull ups interspersed with farmer's walk (grabbing two heavy weights and walking a few hundred meters with them).

Then, if I have the strength, chin ups/dips/bicep curls/various other arm free weight exercises.

Finally, half laps of jogging and running, walking/cool down, and final stretching.

If you're gonna be at the gym more than 4 times a week, you'll probably want to look into more diversification, and even focusing more on either cardio, strength, muscle building, whatever your goal is. Again, this is more for general fitness in all areas, with an emphasis on muscle endurance and cardio.


I am curious though, do you guys have any tips/see any problems with that? Changing my diet is not really possible, this workout is something I came up with to accommodate my diet and lifestyle (I'm a lean guy, play sports like soccer and frisbee, wanna keep my weight low but my strength and muscle definition as high as I can for my weight). I like my workouts to end around an hour, no later than an hour and fifteen or an hour and a half. Any suggestions will be appreciated.
 
That looks pretty good, Stealth! Those clean n jerks are great, I forget about them! I would advise no stretching before weight lifting, however. You want your muscles to be as compact as possible for lifting, so it's recommended to stretch after. Believe it or not, you actually are more prone to injury if you stretch before heavy lifting. Secondly, you seem to have a lot of compound exercises in there, but maybe you could do more isolation exercises? I would recommend you dedicate maybe 2 of those 4 days for isolation exercises. I didn't see squats in there, do you do those? For an athlete I think they are one of the best exercises ever as they really work your core and legs. I'd focus on front squats since those work your core more than back squats. Lastly, the only thing I'd change is to skip the cardio after weight lifting. At that point you will most likely be burning muscle for energy. Other than that it looks good and very challenging! What do you think Strubes? Oh and do you take any supplements, Stealth?
 
First off, for the ab workout you were asking about, it looks like you're doing a variation of pendulum crunches. Your way is good as well, but you might want to try out the full extension version so you can get the best out of your exercise. :)

Link is here: http://www.fitness.com/exercises/68/pendulum_crunches.php

Your workout looks good so far. I stretch before and after workouts (light stretching before of course). Also, make sure you're drinking lots of water during your workouts, but be careful not to drink too much as to get a cramp when running/jogging. For a beginning/intermediate workout though, you're on the right track.

Just make sure you're drinking a lot of water during workouts and during the day in general. And see if you can find a cheap multivitamin to take daily. If you take a multivitamin, drink a lot of water, and continue on your workout, you definitely will have better results. Also, I agree with x2. Try some isolation exercises. Start with 1 to 2 days a week, and work your way up depending on how you feel. If two times a week is enough for you, then that will work. It just depends on the person, but I'm sure you'll have no problem with it.
 
Excellent! Thanks for the info guys, but I do have some questions/comments.

I don't do squats, but I do agree I should work them into my routine. I used to do squats and dead lifts more frequently, but gave them up when I stopped body building (or trying to).

I try to avoid isolation exercises as I find their not practical for sports, work, and life fitness in general. What is the benefit of isolation exercises? I'm not looking to build muscle (exclusively), I'm more interested in toning and strengthening the muscle mass I've got. Will isolation exercises help this? I would be more prone to the idea if I could come up with some good circuits, as I like to maximize the little amount of time a week I get to spend at the gym. So if you guys could recommend some exercises that would be good for this, I'm all ears.

No stretching before weight lifting... really? Isn't that a good way to pull/tear/rip something? :lol
If you could expand on that a bit I'd appreciate understanding why that works the way it does.

Also, what is the difference between front and back squats? The only squats I've ever done have been with the bar across my back/shoulders, so if you could elaborate on those more too that would be cool. I also have bad knees from soccer/hockey, what can I do to lessen the strain on the joints when I do the exercise?

Pendulum crunches, I believe that is the correct name. I quit doing the full extension ones because I find it can be hard on my lower back. I may try them again sometime, ease into the pendulum crunches that way or something.

I eat a pretty healthy/balanced diet, not really sure what the multivitamin will add to it. I could give it a shot though, it certainly couldn't hurt. :D

The run I do is a variable in my workouts. I don't usually do it at the end, mostly somewhere in the middle, and only during the "off seasons" of the sports I play. I will most certainly avoid doing them at the end of my workouts from now on.

Thanks for all the tips guys, I hope you can continue to provide some insights.
 
Well the stretching thing is pretty new to me, too, and trust me, my reaction was the same as yours when I first heard it. The way it was explained to me was that when you stretch you "loosen" your muscles and you lose tension which in turn makes them weaker. Now, maybe it's just coincidence, but all of my lifts have gone up after I stopped stretching pre-workout. So for now, I only do a little stretching in between sets and after my workout when my muscles are warmed up. It has been great so far. But don't get me wrong, I would never lift heavy without warming up with lighter weights first. Search it up sometime, it's an interesting concept!

I recommend isolation exercises because it's a great way to get muscles as hard, strong, and defined as possible. At the very least you should dedicate one day to isolating biceps and triceps since they come in to play with just about everything you do. And don't worry about bulking up. I know that is a fear people have about lifting, but it would take a drastic rise in your caloric intake to actually gain weight. For you it would simply make your muscles harder and stronger, but not bulkier or necessarily bigger. As long as you're doing that cardio like you do you will stay "cut up" much like a wide receivers body.

I didn't know you had bad knees, so that's a tough call about squats. I would recommend starting with lighter weight and if you feel any pain stop immediately. Proper squats {form wise} actually strengthen knees so if you can at least do some with light weight that would be good. A front squat is simply placing the bar along your shoulders instead of the back. It's awkward at first because it's kind of a balancing act, but that is what basically forces you to have proper form {if not the bar will fall}. Start by using just the bar alone and no weights and get comfortable balancing it without using your hands to hold it. Then slowly up the weight. I'm sure that's all a bit confusing so some visuals might help http://stronglifts.com/how-to-front-squat-with-proper-technique/

And I would recommend you get a good quality multi vitamin that has joint support built in to it. That will help those knees! And you're welcome about the tips, I hope they can help :)
 
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http://wheycheap.com/
 
Hi Guys!

You 2 are probably are familiar with this format of training,but I thought this might help you guys in case you could use maybe a couple new ideas to incorporate into your regular routine.


God Bless,
KAZ

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/forums/powerlifting-strongman/40164-bill-kazmaier-routine.html
 
Bada-bump :D Thanks for that link, Kaz, it is actually a pretty intense routine! I take it you're a fan of Strongman? I love watching it and my favorite is of course, Mariusz Pudzianowski.

How's training been for everybody? Felt really nice to be hitting the weights again after taking sick time off. I realize I sort of lose my mind when I can't train :-\ But all is well now again!
 
x2 said:
Bada-bump :D Thanks for that link, Kaz, it is actually a pretty intense routine! I take it you're a fan of Strongman? I love watching it and my favorite is of course, Mariusz Pudzianowski.

How's training been for everybody? Felt really nice to be hitting the weights again after taking sick time off. I realize I sort of lose my mind when I can't train :-\ But all is well now again!

Mariusz is a Tank with legs!
He also has a lot of endurance,which some the others who aren't even as big as him have!Well,except for me,I taught him everything he knows. :lol

God Bless,
MR.KAZ
 
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