Bad things I see in this thread I do. Personally I'm pro-choice and if the woman wants to have an abortion let them, if they truly want it they do it either way.
SpartanEvolved
SpartanEvolved
Pro-choice. The woman should have the final say. If they do not want or could not support the baby there is no reason to have it. Especially teens who make mistakes, they should not suffer the rest of their lives because of it. One of my friends is a senior in high school and his girlfriend is prgenant with his kid. There is no chance for college for him or her or even a really enjoyable life because he will be a dad shortly after he graduates.
Personally, I find it too complicated an issue to simply be all for, or all against, so I am pro-choice, but only to a point.
If they didn't want to have a baby, there were a million different ways of preventing it before getting pregnant. They should have been more careful in what they were doing. And the same goes for any other couple.
That's a situation when I'm pro-choice.Jack said:
blacklemons
The Freeman
Fr0dus Maximus said:
Yeah
*slaps forehead*
this will get out of hand very quickly
abortion is murder. 'nuff said
Jack said:
Would that make them a couple if she was raped? I said the same goes for any couple. In my opinion, I still think that a child is a child and should be born even in that case; find an adoption agency or something.....but I can understand in that situation that abortion may be necessary.
And....if this thread does go out of hand, I will lock it down quickly. So play nice.
If you're still in school, high school mainly, than I think the girl should be able to get an abortion because having a kid as a teenager could completely ruin your life because:
A) You won't be able to support it
B) Most guys who are teenagers would most likely end up leaving the girl because they don't want a kid
If you're an adult, I think you should have to keep it because their old enough to know how to take care of them unless they are an unproductive member in society.
A) You won't be able to support it
B) Most guys who are teenagers would most likely end up leaving the girl because they don't want a kid
If you're an adult, I think you should have to keep it because their old enough to know how to take care of them unless they are an unproductive member in society.
Mai Valentine
Moderator
I am pro-choice up to a point. I think it should be legal simply because if it were not, people would still do it, and if they are going to do it, better a licensed professional than some back alley doctor (which is what used to happen).
I do not approve of people who use abortions as a form of birth control. If you don't want to get pregnant, use a condom.
I do not approve of people who use abortions as a form of birth control. If you don't want to get pregnant, use a condom.
retro junkie
All You bases are belong to us.
I am against abortion.
The only way that it is used at the present time is for birthcontrol.
I think that the root of the issue is not abortion, but it is the attitude of our culture toward sex in general (I am speaking of the US). No method of birthcontrol like pills, condoms, etc is 100% effective. Only abstinence is 100% effective. And yet we saturate ourselves with sexual messages everywhere, it is in our TV shows, movies, advertisements, magazines, and literature. Anywhere from soft core to hard core porn is easily available over the internet, movies, literature, TV. We are fully stimulated from all forms of media. We teach a free for all toward sex mentality in our public schools and accept it as a norm in our society. And we want sex without any responsibility. We have a philosophical concept in our culture that sex is "OK" outside of a committed relationship. We are going to have as a result, a lot of pregnancy going on and STD. It is the natural end result of sex. We have no moral ethics, restrants, or conscience efforts to resist at the heart of our nation. Without any moral conscience in our culture and with so much visual stimuli in our media (and the visual stimuli communicates that women are playthings there for the man's self gratification) you are going to have date rape. And the problem is just as bad in the Church as it is in Mainstream. People are jumping in and out of relationships faster than a TV commercial. Then there is this fad of hooking up going on. We want an irresponsible sex life, and with the woman, or girl, being the one that is suffering the main consequence of the situation, our only answer is kill the kid?
Don't misinterpret my post here as being hostile or angry, or filled with any hate. I am merely stating the situation as I see it from my perspective. I think we have a problem and I don't think we should look at abortion as being the answer. I do think that advocating abstinence and waiting for a committed lifetime partnership with someone is a beginning. Censorship is really not a dirty word like we think it is. But I think it would do us good in our culture if we would consider it. The tide needs to turn because we are literally killing ourselves. And we will certainly feel it when the baby boom generation fully retires.
Sorry for the long post.
The only way that it is used at the present time is for birthcontrol.
I think that the root of the issue is not abortion, but it is the attitude of our culture toward sex in general (I am speaking of the US). No method of birthcontrol like pills, condoms, etc is 100% effective. Only abstinence is 100% effective. And yet we saturate ourselves with sexual messages everywhere, it is in our TV shows, movies, advertisements, magazines, and literature. Anywhere from soft core to hard core porn is easily available over the internet, movies, literature, TV. We are fully stimulated from all forms of media. We teach a free for all toward sex mentality in our public schools and accept it as a norm in our society. And we want sex without any responsibility. We have a philosophical concept in our culture that sex is "OK" outside of a committed relationship. We are going to have as a result, a lot of pregnancy going on and STD. It is the natural end result of sex. We have no moral ethics, restrants, or conscience efforts to resist at the heart of our nation. Without any moral conscience in our culture and with so much visual stimuli in our media (and the visual stimuli communicates that women are playthings there for the man's self gratification) you are going to have date rape. And the problem is just as bad in the Church as it is in Mainstream. People are jumping in and out of relationships faster than a TV commercial. Then there is this fad of hooking up going on. We want an irresponsible sex life, and with the woman, or girl, being the one that is suffering the main consequence of the situation, our only answer is kill the kid?
Don't misinterpret my post here as being hostile or angry, or filled with any hate. I am merely stating the situation as I see it from my perspective. I think we have a problem and I don't think we should look at abortion as being the answer. I do think that advocating abstinence and waiting for a committed lifetime partnership with someone is a beginning. Censorship is really not a dirty word like we think it is. But I think it would do us good in our culture if we would consider it. The tide needs to turn because we are literally killing ourselves. And we will certainly feel it when the baby boom generation fully retires.
Sorry for the long post.
retro junkie said:I am against abortion.
The only way that it is used at the present time is for birthcontrol.
I think that the root of the issue is not abortion, but it is the attitude of our culture toward sex in general (I am speaking of the US). No method of birthcontrol like pills, condoms, etc is 100% effective. Only abstinence is 100% effective. And yet we saturate ourselves with sexual messages everywhere, it is in our TV shows, movies, advertisements, magazines, and literature. Anywhere from soft core to hard core **** is easily available over the internet, movies, literature, TV. We are fully stimulated from all forms of media. We teach a free for all toward sex mentality in our public schools and accept it as a norm in our society. And we want sex without any responsibility. We have a philosophical concept in our culture that sex is "OK" outside of a committed relationship. We are going to have as a result, a lot of pregnancy going on and STD. It is the natural end result of sex. We have no moral ethics, restrants, or conscience efforts to resist at the heart of our nation. Without any moral conscience in our culture and with so much visual stimuli in our media (and the visual stimuli communicates that women are playthings there for the man's self gratification) you are going to have date rape. And the problem is just as bad in the Church as it is in Mainstream. People are jumping in and out of relationships faster than a TV commercial. Then there is this fad of hooking up going on. We want an irresponsible sex life, and with the woman, or girl, being the one that is suffering the main consequence of the situation, our only answer is kill the kid?
Don't misinterpret my post here as being hostile or angry, or filled with any hate. I am merely stating the situation as I see it from my perspective. I think we have a problem and I don't think we should look at abortion as being the answer. I do think that advocating abstinence and waiting for a committed lifetime partnership with someone is a beginning. Censorship is really not a dirty word like we think it is. But I think it would do us good in our culture if we would consider it. The tide needs to turn because we are literally killing ourselves. And we will certainly feel it when the baby boom generation fully retires.
Sorry for the long post.
Good points there. I do agree that we have a problem, but we also have a problem with over populating. We also have a problem with teen girls getting pregnant, having a kid, not being able to take care of it, and letting the poor kid suffer. I would honestly rather just have the girl have an abortion if it will prevent a child from suffering. I'm sick and tired of seeing so many poor kids neglected and abused due to unfit parents who should have never had the kid to begin with :-\
While I basically agree with you, large scale social changes like you're saying need to happen can't be done with the flip of a switch. It's something that will take years and years to happen.retro junkie said:I am against abortion.
The only way that it is used at the present time is for birthcontrol.
I think that the root of the issue is not abortion, but it is the attitude of our culture toward sex in general (I am speaking of the US). No method of birthcontrol like pills, condoms, etc is 100% effective. Only abstinence is 100% effective. And yet we saturate ourselves with sexual messages everywhere, it is in our TV shows, movies, advertisements, magazines, and literature. Anywhere from soft core to hard core **** is easily available over the internet, movies, literature, TV. We are fully stimulated from all forms of media. We teach a free for all toward sex mentality in our public schools and accept it as a norm in our society. And we want sex without any responsibility. We have a philosophical concept in our culture that sex is "OK" outside of a committed relationship. We are going to have as a result, a lot of pregnancy going on and STD. It is the natural end result of sex. We have no moral ethics, restrants, or conscience efforts to resist at the heart of our nation. Without any moral conscience in our culture and with so much visual stimuli in our media (and the visual stimuli communicates that women are playthings there for the man's self gratification) you are going to have date rape. And the problem is just as bad in the Church as it is in Mainstream. People are jumping in and out of relationships faster than a TV commercial. Then there is this fad of hooking up going on. We want an irresponsible sex life, and with the woman, or girl, being the one that is suffering the main consequence of the situation, our only answer is kill the kid?
Don't misinterpret my post here as being hostile or angry, or filled with any hate. I am merely stating the situation as I see it from my perspective. I think we have a problem and I don't think we should look at abortion as being the answer. I do think that advocating abstinence and waiting for a committed lifetime partnership with someone is a beginning. Censorship is really not a dirty word like we think it is. But I think it would do us good in our culture if we would consider it. The tide needs to turn because we are literally killing ourselves. And we will certainly feel it when the baby boom generation fully retires.
Sorry for the long post.
Birth control, and abortions are merely temporary solutions, to prevent teens and others who aren't ready for children from having them (preaching abstinence just doesn't work at this point), until the societal changes you are talking about happen, or we develop a fool-proof method of birth control.
mrs_enigma
Here is a lil smile for ya :)
I am pro-choice.
I think it is impossible for someone outside another's situation to fully understand or make decisions for the pregnant woman.
A lot of the time it all seems so "clear cut" or "simple" to someone else....but I doubt you are seeing the full picture.
I do not thing abortion is a "good" thing. It can cause much emotional trauma to the woman....but it might be the "best" thing in some situations, or the only workable option in others.
I also do not think it is an "evil" thing. I think that people try too hard to make too many rules of "right" and "wrong" for others...who's shoes they have never ever been in.
Ideas like using birth control, are, of course, great...but you can still end up pregnant.
Big decisions...like whether or not to have a child, should be left up to those directly involved.
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I think it is impossible for someone outside another's situation to fully understand or make decisions for the pregnant woman.
A lot of the time it all seems so "clear cut" or "simple" to someone else....but I doubt you are seeing the full picture.
I do not thing abortion is a "good" thing. It can cause much emotional trauma to the woman....but it might be the "best" thing in some situations, or the only workable option in others.
I also do not think it is an "evil" thing. I think that people try too hard to make too many rules of "right" and "wrong" for others...who's shoes they have never ever been in.
Ideas like using birth control, are, of course, great...but you can still end up pregnant.
Big decisions...like whether or not to have a child, should be left up to those directly involved.
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retro junkie
All You bases are belong to us.
Homicidal Cherry53 said:
I did use the word "beginning." Working for change is a start. But the transition of our society must start from the grass roots. That is a local thing. Beginning in our local schools, homes, towns, library, community, etc. We as parents don't take enough interest in our children and homelife to make a difference at times. The children find acceptance and belonging in gangs. The cells of our culture is the home and right now it is sick and dying.
Locally I am involved with a group that is connected to others in our community in providing a "safe" place for young people and teens to go. A local community center. They can play video games, listen to music, do some sporty stuff, etc. Giving them a safe environment to do something other than drugs, drinking, and being peer pressured into something else. We have over 100 a night right now. It may not be perfect, but it is a start. We are trying to give some sort of positive influence into their life. The city council is helping with some donations as well as local businesses. We even have some of the local Churches involved.
Working for change has to be more than just preaching. Taking an interest, being good role models, being a mentor to someone has to start somewhere.
Are we making a difference? I don't know. The results of our efforts is only seen in the long run.
FF7 master
Sephiroth's homeboy
What i fail to understand is why people still refer and justify abortions in the fact that a the baby was an "accident". There have been no accidental pregnancy since the 1950's when contraceptives because extremely popular. If two people screw around and end up pregnant that thats the risk you take. As with everything in life there are risks to the actions you take.
It's as if people take no accountability for their actions and say their the victim of a horrendous accident. If the parters don't take appropriate preparation and get pregnant, than i have no sympathy at all and they shouldn't get an abortion. Because they made the mistake and they must take accountability for their actions and face the consequences.
And of course there are exceptions for rape victims etc, there are some situations where control is limited.
It's as if people take no accountability for their actions and say their the victim of a horrendous accident. If the parters don't take appropriate preparation and get pregnant, than i have no sympathy at all and they shouldn't get an abortion. Because they made the mistake and they must take accountability for their actions and face the consequences.
And of course there are exceptions for rape victims etc, there are some situations where control is limited.