capcom and RE 4 more info (regarding the exclusivity issue)

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Beanie

I thought this topic was going to be about Shinji Mikami (creator of Resident Evil) leaving Capcom for their subsidary, Clover Studios. Two other employees also left, with another joining him at Clover. Here's what Syobo online are reporting:

"First off, the breaking of exclusivity in this case was not because of user demand, but a plan to boost the stock price, as some already understood, but it seems like there has been confrontation between the developers and the management who are following shareholders' instructions. Capcom nowadays is different to when Okamoto worked there, the development team's voice seems weaker than before.
It also looks like a lot of skilled staff will leave the company after the GC version of 4 is finished. But the people behind this rebellion are the developers, and they ask that you don't blame Mikami or Kobayashi. The GC version of 4 is the last one that Mikami will be involved in, the PS2 version will be passed on to someone else. People who used to work at Capcom are also shocked by this news."

Taken from: www.REhorror.com
 
sorry beanie... I wanted to break this out into its own topic :)

I hope thats cool with you.
I split it out of the other RE 4 topic.... as this could be a subject of its own IMO :) and this should get more emphasis.


So is this true ?

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but now the employees are stating its not about money.. its just about the shareholders.

meh.. I'll give you 75% :lol :)

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Nephlabobo said:
No - it clearly says this is about boosting the stock price.

Boosting the stock price means the shareholders will make more money.

This is totally cut and dry.
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THAT does not mean Capcom is in trouble... it means the shareholders want more money.

Its definitely not cut and dry.... and I think there is more to it than what is going on. And it could be another payoff by Sony. But you know... it all boils down to.. who cares? :)

Cut and Dry would be.... "We are Running red on this project... we need to go to Sony to boost back into the black."
Thats not the scenario... even though Capcom tried to paint it like that. EMployees tend to paint a better picture of the firm (than the heads.. OR the Shareholders) because they are doing the day-to-day operations.... and obviously many employees are not agreeing with the motive of " we're losing money... we need to gain more."

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do you know for sure it is not a payoff?
do you know for sure that Sony did not drop some cash to get the game to their system?


btw... this whole time I stated the shareholders wanted more money  :p  I didn't say anything here about Sony making a payoff ... AS A DEFINITE
... I said it could happen.

I don't think you are seeing this.. I am actually agreeing with you... :lol
You said it was the shareholders, so did I.

on another point... Capcom is pretty retarded for not seeing that RE 2, 3, and CV would tank. I mean crap.... how long have those games been out? You can get those version for $10 each on other systems.... Since Capcom didn't remake them (Capcom was stupid not to) there were no improvements.

SO basically Capcom tried to charge $30 each for ports of games (that are the same) that are $10 each on systems.. such as the PSX/PS2, and Dreamcast.
Can companies really be that stupid to think the consumer isn't the slightest bit intelligent....

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Nephlabobo said:
By using your logic I could run around shouting that Microsoft bribed Capcom to pu tRE 4 on PS2
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well... do you see it on the xbox? :)

it can be irritating.. or whatever... but none of us know what happens on the corporate levels.

"special gifts".... side deals.... "behind the back deal" ...etc... are all done at the corporate level.

If the stockholders want more money... who's to say they wouldn't take a bribe?

Its not a Sony hatred issue.... dude... it happens everywhere... in TONS of corps.
Pharmaceutical companies give payoffs to doctors to give certain prescriptions to patients. Yes, doctors get kickbacks for recommending drugs to you.

Same thing happens in manufacturing... service, and other industries. To totally rule it out would be blind.

I like conspiracy theories... therefore I (as a counterpoint) suggested ... in a not-so-serious tone that Sony could be doing a payoff. Please, don't take things so seriously. Its really not that big of a deal.

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It does sound pretty "out there" BV. I mean, if we start thinking about conspiracy theories and whatnot about this specific instance, then you have to also consider it for other topics. And once you start doing that, things get out of control.

I do agree with Neph on this one. The decision to port to the PS2 was just smart business, I mean, what company wouldn't want to make more money?
 
Nephlabobo said:
You're saying it could've been a payoff. How do we know it wasn't. Well how do we know it wasn't Microsoft that paid off the shareholders?
Maybe the deal was it has to come to PS2 AND Xbox?

If you're going to start spouting conspiracy theories then so can I.
If there was some sort of a deal with the stock holders and Sony, they would have said so.

The employees have *clearly and repeatedly* said that this was the stockholders decision, and theirs alone.

The only times you ever mention Sony are when it's a chance to slander them.
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um... where did I slander Sony?
:-\

And.... Microsoft wouldn't be involved because this wouldn't financially benefit them.

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Perhaps Microsoft is secretly in league with Sony, and their ultimate goal is to destroy Nintendo. They communicate to each other via underground tunnels and carrier pidgeon. Their plan has been in motion for years, and we've only just begun to see it unfold.

Alright, that is pretty loony, but for arguement's sake, you can't prove that's not what's happening, so its just as valid as any other conspiracy theory.
 
Nephlabobo said:
The only times you ever mention Sony are when it's a chance to slander them.
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And the only times you ever mention Nintendo is when it's a chance to make them look bad. IE the report about Nintendo apologizing to a pron site. So....what point are you trying to make?

When I see you post a topic in the PS2 forum about a game you actually like and it doesn't mention Nintendo in any way, shape, or form, I will consider it a miracle.
 
Nephlabobo said:
Where did you slander Sony?

Your constant baseless accusations that Sony committed illegal acts to acquire RE 4 for the Gamecube yet have no proof to back these accusations up.

Slander.

You keep saying we don't know it's a conspiracy, despite the facts at hand.

It makes as much sense to say Microsoft bribed Capcom as Sony did because there are no facts to support either.

When there's no proof, you can make up any bloody thing you want.
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man.. .you talk about other people taking things too seriously.

Lighten up man :) Its not that big of a deal.

And as to Sony and Microsoft being together..... actually that wouldn't be as preposterous as what you think :)
Sony makes laptops...and other computer devices..etc. They use the windows XP OS.... and many times in Sony's advertisements they openly support Microsoft (and advertise Microsoft's products on their laptops). One add read (I don't have the exact text down but this is close) "Sony greatly supports Microsoft Windows Xp and other Microsoft products" .... or it was just Sony highly supports Microsoft products.

Now, I am pretty sure that they are not working together in the console run...... but who's to say they couldn't work out a side deal together? eh? :)

And neph.... this is not trashing Sony ;)

:lol


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Actually I think Neph proved his point very well. In this thread he has proved his point every single time. Sony hasn't done anything wrong or unethical, and for some reason, despite Neph's factual evidence, you guys seem to think that. And it sure doesn't sound like he's "taking it too seriously", but if he did I wouldn't blame him as he's had to restate the same point time and time again.
 
stealth toilet said:
Actually I think Neph proved his point very well. In this thread he has proved his point every single time. Sony hasn't done anything wrong or unethical, and for some reason, despite Neph's factual evidence, you guys seem to think that. And it sure doesn't sound like he's "taking it too seriously", but if he did I wouldn't blame him as he's had to restate the same point time and time again.
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Yeah... but there is no point to state.  We all understand what Capcom is stating....
Its not like any of us were disagreeing with him.... and his points ("factual evidence") are "directly what came from the articles." So there is not too much to disagree with.

I at least wasn't.  I was stating side points... and that is where the "disagreement started" AND is where I said don't take things too seriously as I wasn't bashing Sony.

My initial point is that the shareholders made the decision for extra cash, which is the exact same thing neph was saying. That is why I told neph I was not disagreeing with him..... BUT I was contemplating on the possibility of a Sony payoff..etc....


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Well I'm not agreeing with BV here. I understand where Neph is coming from and I agree with him that a conspiracy between Sony and MS is pretty farfetched.

Capcom did it for money and honestly, I'm sure Nintendo knew full well about it and gave their consent to Capcom.

I can see it being a situation where Nintendo is like, "Well, Capcom, we can see that you are in financial trouble. It is not our wish to buy you out, however. We also are not willing to help you out. So, if you have to port RE4 to the PS2, go ahead and do it. Just make sure you give us a huge head start on exclusivity."
 
I thought the issue was:

"why did Capcom make the decision to port to the PS2?"

I thought Neph's response was:

"Shareholders wanted more money, this would do that."

and I thought BV's stance was:

"Sony had something to do with it."


At least that's what I saw it boil down to, and Neph's seemed to make the most sense. Whether that's how it happened or if that's just my jaded view of things, I think I'm just gonna shut up in these topics, as I don't really have an opinion on it either way, lol.
 
Bluevoodu said:
but now the employees are stating its not about money.. its just about the shareholders.

meh.. I'll give you 75% :lol :)

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THAT does not mean Capcom is in trouble... it means the shareholders want more money.
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No... my stance on the issue was actually the same as nephs.  EXCEPT I did not agree that Capcom was in trouble.... so look what I said "IT MEANS THE SHAREHOLDERS WANT MORE MONEY."

The 1st article posted.. the employee said Capcom was financially in trouble... so they had to port.

The 2nd article posted said that "Capcom is not in trouble... the stockholders want more money."

The Sony Payoff thing was just speculation due to the Gran Turismo payoff  ::) 
* I ALSO SAID NINTENDO DO THE SAME THING NEPH.... so I must be anti Nintendo now too  ::) *

And finally I said we don't know whats happenint at the corporate levels of these companies.... so for one of us to say something is for sure would be incorrect.... regardless of what the company is feeding the public.  How do any of us know that Sony didn't drop some cash to get the game their way?  Thats not far fetched at all.  It may not be the truth in this incident... but we don't know for sure.  Agree with it or not.. you don't know for sure. That would still be Capcom's Fault Neph.... not Sony's.



between Sony and MS is pretty farfetched.
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That is what stealth said as a joke.  It was between Capcom and Sony.


You all are taking things too seriously.  Man... half of what I said was purely speculation... and more for fun.

Lighten up :lol  That is how this board is supposed to be... at least it used to be :)

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