Does The Koran Permit Murder?

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MR.KAZ

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Hello Guys!

Before I begin,it's important to me that you know I have absolutely no contempt the for Muslim religion,whatsoever,I'm posting this so I can learn more about the world around me,so readers please don't take this the wrong way.I'm a rookie when it comes to these subjects.

As much as I dislike Osama Bin Laden,I do however respect his conviction.What I don't understand is why he feels that all these people must be killed in the name of Allah(I Hope I Spelled It Correctly).Please forgive me members who happen to be of the Muslim religion,but does the "Koran" permit murder or is he twisting the passages around to suit his needs?Once again,I ask this respectfully.

Sincerely,
MR.KAZ
 
x2 said:
I'm not touching this one with a 40ft pole :-X
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Hi x2!

I'm not trying to start a big "Holy War",I'm truly curious.You and the other members seem like intelligent people,that's why I feel confident in asking these questions.
 
Any interpretation of the Koran but the radical one that the extremist minority (and they are a huge minority) strictly forbids the killing of innocents. I don't know about murder in general. I'll have to look that one up, but I believe it is frowned upon in most situations.
 
Dart said:
Yes. It specifically advocates killing of "infidels" who refuse to convert to Islam.
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Dart,are you sure man?That's basically saying accept the Muslim religion or die?

I don't mean to question your intelligence,but that is a HEAVY concept.What kind of creator allows the murder of those who oppose the Muslim religion.That kind of sticks a dagger into the heart of free will.?Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place,we don't stand a chance!
 
Dart, Cherry, and myself have had this discussion before. :P

http://www.egameaddiction.com/forums/index.php?topic=7579.0

I'm inclined to agree with Cherry. I read an excellent book on the terrorist ideologue by a former Professor of Islam at Egypt University (or whatever its actually called). He pointed out the pieces of scripture most used by Al Qaeda to justify their war as a holy war, but he also explained the context of the passages and showed how it could (and most often is) interpreted otherwise.

The words of the Qu'ran, just like the words of the Christian Bible, can be taken out of context and changed to suit the needs of whoever is manipulating the words. If the Qu'ran does in fact advocate, neigh support, the killing of non-muslims then 99% of the Muslim population (that is about 1/6th of the world's population) is preaching, practicing, and understanding their faith completely wrong.
 
stealth toilet said:
Dart, Cherry, and myself have had this discussion before. :P

http://www.egameaddiction.com/forums/index.php?topic=7579.0

I'm inclined to agree with Cherry. I read an excellent book on the terrorist ideologue by a former Professor of Islam at Egypt University (or whatever its actually called). He pointed out the pieces of scripture most used by Al Qaeda to justify their war as a holy war, but he also explained the context of the passages and showed how it could (and most often is) interpreted otherwise.

The words of the Qu'ran, just like the words of the Christian Bible, can be taken out of context and changed to suit the needs of whoever is manipulating the words. If the Qu'ran does in fact advocate, neigh support, the killing of non-muslims then 99% of the Muslim population (that is about 1/6th of the world's population) is preaching, practicing, and understanding their faith completely wrong.
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Hi Stealth,It's kind of how some people take "Eye For An Eye" way out as well? :)
 
I have a Quran. It's pretty plain. Even the commentator, who is a self-discribed conservative, agrees with the text.
 
I think Dart is right. I think that it might be open to interpretation tho...meaning....not all muslims are going to think they should kill infidels. But some think that is what they should do...kinda like how different churches interpret the Bible different ways.
 
Homicidal Cherry53 said:
This feels familiar, but post up those specific quotes please.
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No problem. I'll try to post it up later this evening after we come back from trick-or-treating.
 
Homicidal Cherry53 said:
Well I'm stuck home with a sinus infection so I'll be here. >_>
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I'm going to have to concede this argument for now. I can't find my freaking Quran. And my Reasoning from the Scriptures with Muslims book is not giving me much help.
 
Wouldn't this info be online some place too? I am still guessing that it is a matter of how you interpret things it says. Like that it can be interpreted both ways.
 
mrs_enigma said:
Wouldn't this info be online some place too? I am still guessing that it is a matter of how you interpret things it says. Like that it can be interpreted both ways.
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It clearly can be in the same way that any religious text can. People sometimes use Christianity to justify murder, but that doesn't make murder itself Christian. Same situation with Islam, from what I can tell. The actions of most Muslims throughout history, however shows that the majority of Muslims do not use the Qu'ran to justify killing "infidels". Just look at the Caliphs who followed Mohammad. They offered more religious freedom than anyone else in Europe or the Middle East.
 
Homicidal Cherry53 said:
It clearly can be in the same way that any religious text can. People sometimes use Christianity to justify murder, but that doesn't make murder itself Christian. Same situation with Islam, from what I can tell. The actions of most Muslims throughout history, however shows that the majority of Muslims do not use the Qu'ran to justify killing "infidels". Just look at the Caliphs who followed Mohammad. They offered more religious freedom than anyone else in Europe or the Middle East.
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Yes, exactly, people use religious teachings to justify whatever it is they want to believe, and they can usually find some sort of verses to back them up, whether or not it wa smeant to be taken that way...tho I do think the Bible says some rather confusing things on the topic.
 
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