Homicidal Cherry53 said:
Wikipedia has their sources at the bottom of the page that links to other articles and such. As for the primary source, make up a survey or something.
See, there is good in the world, all under the name of Wiki.
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Wikipedia has their sources at the bottom of the page that links to other articles and such. As for the primary source, make up a survey or something.
See, there is good in the world, all under the name of Wiki.
Fr0dus Maximus said:Wikipedia has their sources at the bottom of the page that links to other articles and such. As for the primary source, make up a survey or something.
Meh, that still doesn't provide many primary sources which are gonna be the real problem.
See, there is good in the world, all under the name of Wiki.
Wiki is all that is good in the world. :lol
After over viewing this thread a bit more I've come to this conclusion:
Sure, there is alot of "evil" in the world but, with that "evil" comes "good", I put quotation around good and evil since good and evil can only be defined in the eye of the beholder. As for the term redeem it is in the same situation as the other two. As for the solutions aspect of this thread I'll leave it to you guys, since one solution may be a problem to another. But for natural disasters it's impossible to prevent these, in the days before industrialization we've had these and will continue to have them. With the destruction of natural disasters many are left with little to nothing but, with the help of kind-hearted people the victims of the destruction get a sense of hope in that the future will be better than the present. In times of war, an economic crisis, civil liberties being taken away and terrorism one does not have to look far to see what they define as "evil" but, for one to have hope and to spread hope all one needs to do is look, either around them or inside themselves to what is "good" in the world.
Sure, there is alot of "evil" in the world but, with that "evil" comes "good", I put quotation around good and evil since good and evil can only be defined in the eye of the beholder. As for the term redeem it is in the same situation as the other two. As for the solutions aspect of this thread I'll leave it to you guys, since one solution may be a problem to another. But for natural disasters it's impossible to prevent these, in the days before industrialization we've had these and will continue to have them. With the destruction of natural disasters many are left with little to nothing but, with the help of kind-hearted people the victims of the destruction get a sense of hope in that the future will be better than the present. In times of war, an economic crisis, civil liberties being taken away and terrorism one does not have to look far to see what they define as "evil" but, for one to have hope and to spread hope all one needs to do is look, either around them or inside themselves to what is "good" in the world.
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Fr0dus Maximus said:After over viewing this thread a bit more I've come to this conclusion:
Sure, there is alot of "evil" in the world but, with that "evil" comes "good", I put quotation around good and evil since good and evil can only be defined in the eye of the beholder. As for the term redeem it is in the same situation as the other two. As for the solutions aspect of this thread I'll leave it to you guys, since one solution may be a problem to another. But for natural disasters it's impossible to prevent these, in the days before industrialization we've had these and will continue to have them. With the destruction of natural disasters many are left with little to nothing but, with the help of kind-hearted people the victims of the destruction get a sense of hope in that the future will be better than the present. In times of war, an economic crisis, civil liberties being taken away and terrorism one does not have to look far to see what they define as "evil" but, for one to have hope and to spread hope all one needs to do is look, either around them or inside themselves to what is "good" in the world.
How are you Fr0dus?
You make interesting remarks about "Good" and "Evil".Ultimately,you can't have one without the other.We cannot prevent Natural Disasters,nor can we prevent the above mentioned atrocities.Being a believer in the Bible,especially it's prophetic value I believe these terrible happenings to be as a result of the symbolical meaning of the "Four Horseman Of The Apocalypse".
Revelation Chapter 6 Verse 5-6 I believe warns of current economic problems in a lot of places.I am also aware that these truly dire situations are considered by many to be constants through time and therefore provide little prophetic value for today's current problems.For the members who feel I should get down off my "High Horse" or who consider me to be "Mr.Know-It -All"(Which couldn't be further than the truth)I'm going to submit a juicy clue with respect to the above mentioned "Horsemen".
The White Horse laughs first and laughs last bringing with it absolute assurance of victory where it counts the most....
God Bless,
KAZ
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Zidart said:the fact that there is still people fighting to make our world a bit better makes humanity still worth living in this world, is true some people are corrupt and everyone has a bit of a shadow in their personalities, but that's how we are and always will be, but whenever there is a shadow there is light, whenever people have something that corrupts them and worries them they will fight to make it right... i know that and that is why i believe humanity is ok the way it is now because i just can't generalize everything the way you do, just because there is a few people out there that cause a lot of trouble for others doesn't mean EVERYONE is like that.... besides LOVE still exists...
as for natural disasters, that's when people get together even more, and they help each other recover from said disaster.
Sorry for the late reply, lost email. I do not think that because people are fighting to make our world a better place means that I should feel like there is still any worth in living in this horrible world. Why are they fighting in the first place? If humanity didnt have the stupid idea of always making decisions to only cater to themselves or to a small group of people then the world would be this awesome place to live in fully with places full of bountiful harvests, humans and animals living peacefully side by side, and humans working together to ensure peace and harmony with each other and nature. Definitely this is not and will never be the case as long as humans carry this one fatal flaw; always doing what it is they think is best for themselves.
Im sorry but whenever there is a light then there is dark. Light can only reach but so many places. There is always dark in this world even in the midst of people doing so much good, something bad will result and emerge from it. And with our present mindset, bad things are always tons more effects and pronounced then even good things are.
Love Still exists? Where is this love?!
I have learned over the time that there is but one solution to human life and the Christian tradition says it so plainly. Isnt it a fundamental belive that the world will be destroyed because of how evil and rotten it is. People continue to do bad. The cycle is ever so present in the books that are used in that religion. One good thing happens, then several bad things, one good thing happens again, more bad things. In the end bad things overtake everything. I havent looked to much into the Buddhist beliefs but that would be interesting if it is in line what what I have been proclaiming.stealth toilet said:Yeah, if anything can be derived from your posts about your beliefs, I would say you'd fit right in with some fundamental Buddhists. Impermanence, suffering, the age of degenerative dharma, samsara, and all that other good stuff. By "in-line with the Christian tradition" I assume you mean "not in direct opposition to the principle of 'love they neighbour as thyself,'" but if you do believe in Christ then you must have some sort of faith in mankind. And if you are Buddhist at all then I'd be interested to know what sect you would consider yourself to belong to. I understand your position on "all things in this life produce suffering," but both Christianity and Buddhism provide solutions to that suffering. They provide hope. They provide something good.
Regardless, I dont see what hope they provide. The only hope that I see in religions is that it just provides us with that safety of security for what may possibly exist in the unknown area of the afterlife. They dont provide anything to explain for why peole just do bad nor do they provide us a reason to why we should live.
stealth toilet said:I agree with you, as I stated in my post and you quoted, that many bad things do happen in this world. But I don't believe that people themselves are inherently bad, people just tend to not notice the good as much as the bad. I once heard that the average person needs 5 compliments for every complaint made about themselves to feel they are being treated fairly. 20 positive things that happen in your day can easily be ruined by 1 negative thing, if you're only looking for the negative.
The fact is, is that bad things often carry more of an effect than good things do. If a man robs your car and steals it, who cares about the person that manages to find it and catch the robber. There will be more issues and coverage about the car and reasons surrounding a person's lack of responsibility in guarding their car in this sin filled world? You see? I really have no clue as to how any positive thing can easily provide us with a good experience in the midst of one negative thing.
stealth toilet said:I think my concern with what you are saying, and what has illicited a response from most people on this board, is whether or not you believe there is any good, either in individual people or some force of good working in this world? I'm curious: are you trying to be realistic about the current state of humanity, or are you just being pessimistic by saying we will never improve the current situation, and why do you believe one or the other to be the case?
I possibly try to trick myself into thinkg that there is a way to improve the situation of the world but with the current rise in horrible news storys, horrible economic problems, horrible social insecurities and unrest, can we really believe that there is any hope for us today? I want to believe that we live in a good world but I just cant, it just isnt possible and no one is willing to work together and unite in one mind and spirit.
homicidal cherry53 said:If this were actually the case, suicides would be the chief concern of the world. If everyone's lives were as horrible as you say, they would end them. They don't, so clearly they find something redeeming about life. I suggest you take their word for it, rather than tell them that they shouldn't want to live because there is no good left in the world. Continuing to live is a choice and the fact that most continue to make it proves that they like their lives, and that the good outweighs the evil in it.
Yes. The fact that they suffer through those naturally disasters shows that life is worth living to them. They suffer through the bad luck they had (that's what natural disasters are; bad luck. People don't huddle together on the bottom floor of a house so they can get hit by a monsoon because someone industrialized) because they find something redeemable in life, something worth living for. Why aren't they just giving up and letting themselves die, if life is as horrible as you say?
I think they are only living in an effort to not provide their closest loved ones with some form of grief. Why would I keep living, simple to keep my parents from bearing the feeling of grief at my death? I think these people carry the same beliefs.
Fro0dus Maximus said:Sure, there is alot of "evil" in the world but, with that "evil" comes "good", I put quotation around good and evil since good and evil can only be defined in the eye of the beholder. As for the term redeem it is in the same situation as the other two. As for the solutions aspect of this thread I'll leave it to you guys, since one solution may be a problem to another. But for natural disasters it's impossible to prevent these, in the days before industrialization we've had these and will continue to have them. With the destruction of natural disasters many are left with little to nothing but, with the help of kind-hearted people the victims of the destruction get a sense of hope in that the future will be better than the present. In times of war, an economic crisis, civil liberties being taken away and terrorism one does not have to look far to see what they define as "evil" but, for one to have hope and to spread hope all one needs to do is look, either around them or inside themselves to what is "good" in the world.
Perhaps, however due to the results of this world, people are forced to live in areas that are always plagued with natural disasters. People dont choose to live in the middle of a beach area that is known to flood every year, they are forced to live there because they cant afford nor have any means to move elsewhere. People dont opt to live in hurricane prone areas because they want to, they are forced to in multiple countries because likewise, no means nor money to move elsewhere. What hope can there be in an area in which people die from medical issues and starvation? What hope is there being in a country in which an earthquake has caused the water supply to be polluted and the officials are holding the water for no apparent reason as people die of thirst before their face? Please explain what the point of hope, empty hope is?
Starrynite said:Perhaps, however due to the results of this world, people are forced to live in areas that are always plagued with natural disasters. People dont choose to live in the middle of a beach area that is known to flood every year, they are forced to live there because they cant afford nor have any means to move elsewhere. People dont opt to live in hurricane prone areas because they want to, they are forced to in multiple countries because likewise, no means nor money to move elsewhere. What hope can there be in an area in which people die from medical issues and starvation? What hope is there being in a country in which an earthquake has caused the water supply to be polluted and the officials are holding the water for no apparent reason as people die of thirst before their face? Please explain what the point of hope, empty hope is?
First off, if one lives on a beach it will most likely cost more than it would to live further inland. And people DO choose to live in these areas because they find the other part of the year to their liking. What hope can there be in areas with medical issues and starvation occur? That's simple, people find hope from the deeds of others that have helped with the situation has been presented by them, sure there is starvation but, a piece of bread from a volunteer gives the victims hope to carry on with their lives. Same with the medical issue, there are countless organizations that help those in need and most are non-profit. If the water supply is polluted more would die from other diseases from the polluted water than dehydration. Empty hope can be temporary but, it's still hope. With empty hope you give a person a sense of reason to move on and make something out of it.