PS2 Officially drops to $129.99

Sartori said:
While this is true, I don't buy this as an excuse for sales. If you were to calculate the percentage of failure and bring it to a ratio in order to better compare to that of XBX or Gamecube, I'm sure you'd see a clear difference even still. I maintain my position.
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I am near 100% sure sartori is right on that.... Sony's systems don't hold up like the other systems do.... I am not sure on the mini system though... At least in the larger system... this is the case.

Of course, every system has it's problems.

Wow.... people are actually staying somewhat civil..... keep it that way, please. ;)

†B†V† :hat
 
Nephlabobo said:
It's a well known fact that fanboys like to make stuff up and then say "it's a well known fact and I don't have to prove it" so that they don't have to prove their fanboy rantings.
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ok... I've done my research on this....  before you comment any further, please call around to 20-25 different places that sell Cube/Ps2/Xbox systems....   Ask them which system they get the most back on... or ask repair centers which system they repair the most.  You would almost have to do more than 1 region though... to help even the results.... different regions can have higher or lower defect rates.

I've done this... and found that Sony is somewhere between 4 to 1 to 6 to 1 on Sony Vs Nintendo.   Sony To Xbox was around 4 to 2 to 6 to 2 or something in that range (now, this could have included the original Xbox defects at the beginning run... if you all remember that).  The Gamecube (without distorting what I found) was the least to have failed... BUT that does not mean that system is without failures.  my numbers aren't exact because I don't have my results anymore.... but I did a little survey.

I'd be glad to do this and report on the findings again... and I encourage others to do it as well... and please, be honest about the finding. 

Then we can take a percentage of those back to sales and see who has the highest defect to # of console sales (not $ sales).  That will settle the argument :)

†B†V† :hat
 
Nephlabobo said:
It's a well known fact that fanboys like to make stuff up and then say "it's a well known fact and I don't have to prove it" so that they don't have to prove their fanboy rantings.
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Aren't you kind of doing the same thing? You're in denial about Sony having the most defects, yet you're not showing any proof either. It's a well known fact that Sony fanboys like to deny the truth.  :)
 
Nephlabobo said:
Why do I have to prove it - I'm not making any accusations. When I have a complaint about Nintendo I at least back it up with solid reasons.
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but you can't / won't disprove it.

See... I have actually called around before. I asked around to people that work at stores.... Ask Mai, she's worked at both Gamestop (I believe it was), and Walmart. Ask Megadrive, he's worked at Gamecrazy.

I've talked with my suppliers.... to ask them what they have found.

And I have not lead anyone on to believe one system is more defective than the other when asking questions. Things may have changed a bit with the mini system... but at least with the large older system... that was the case. Now, I have done my homework on this.... if you wish to show us otherwise... please do. My word isn't the be all end all... it's just what I found.

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Nephlabobo said:
It's a well known fact that fanboys like to make stuff up and then say "it's a well known fact and I don't have to prove it" so that they don't have to prove their fanboy rantings.
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I know Im late on this one, but you fit the defintion of a fanboy just as much as the rest of us.
 
Bluevoodu said:
I've done this... and found that Sony is somewhere between 4 to 1 to 6 to 1 on Sony Vs Nintendo.   Sony To Xbox was around 4 to 2 to 6 to 2 or something in that range (now, this could have included the original Xbox defects at the beginning run... if you all remember that).  The Gamecube (without distorting what I found) was the least to have failed... BUT that does not mean that system is without failures.  my numbers aren't exact because I don't have my results anymore.... but I did a little survey.
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Nice, with exception to the fact that you did not ratio the number of consoles shipped to the number of consoles repaired/returned.

Sony Playstation 2 (as I mentioned before) was out before the other two systems, has been selling longer and has had consoles in service longer.

I do not have numbers, but I'd assume the failure rate for each system after the same amount of play hours is similar. Even if more playstations are returned for repair, that's because there are more ps2 systems total shipped and those systems have been out in the field longer.

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I did see a comparison on xplay about which system was easiest to break (where they were actually trying to break systems). I don't remember which system won, but it was fun to watch regardless...

Even if Sony were to have a significant (seriously statistically significant difference between group variance in an ANOVA comparison), the huge library of games is still very appealing.
 
Grindspine said:
I did see a comparison on xplay about which system was easiest to break (where they were actually trying to break systems). I don't remember which system won, but it was fun to watch regardless...
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I saw that one too. The GC came out on top, with the PS2 second and the Xbox third.
 
Nephlabobo said:
It's a well known fact that fanboys like to make stuff up and then say "it's a well known fact and I don't have to prove it" so that they don't have to prove their fanboy rantings.
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Listen to BV. Take his advice and end this now.

I have no qualms with merely denying your right to even argue this point. It's a waste of my effort to even consider replying with any sizeable text, as you will merely say "omgfanboylie".

Do some investigation. I know I don't have to do the legwork here because I'm right. But I shall, just for you. Especially you whose name follows.

Grindspine:

I don't much buy your "shipped" etc etc argument. It's one that dances around the prospect of Sony having faulty hardware when the company has earned a reputation for it. The mere fact that you deny the reality that Sony's brand name has become synonymous with "disc read error" displays the fantastical reality in which you reside.

Let's not forget the lawsuit we're all so familiar with (at least those of us in the loop).

"Consumers have been complaining for more than a year that Sony's Playstation 2 video game machine stops reading DVDs and certain types of games, often when the unit is just a few months old."

Hm..

"My son bought a Sony Playstation 2 in September. By Christmas, it stopped working with a Disc Error, cannot read disc," Janet of Graniteville, SC

Strange.. a class action suit .. against Sony?! No way!! This couldn't be true because my friend Billy Bob never had his break ever!! And mine still works!! So the rest of the world must operate on the terms of my reality!11!cubesux!!

And last but most definitely not least, let's forget about the consumers and the lawfirms for JUST A SECOND.. let's not forget what the well-respected developer, Shinji Mikami, has to say about Sony:

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Mikami accused Sony of purposely designing their consoles to break easily so that gamers will have to buy a replacement. He also said that Sony's high sales figures are helped by the fact that many gamers, himself included, have had to buy a second PlayStation and PlayStation 2.

From there, Mikami went on to accuse Sony of doing the same thing with their line of PCs, Walkmans, and cell phones. He asked why no one has complained about this and said that it was almost like cheating and committing a crime. The radio DJ tried to interrupt Mikami and shift the conversation to another topic, but when Mikami was asked if he thought Sony's customers are foolish, he replied, "Yes."
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Holy schnikeys, we're seeing a trend here.. and it's not in any of your favor.

Don't even bother anymore. You have no case. I grow tired of a fruitless argument that has no bounds.
 
Grindspine said:
Nice, with exception to the fact that you did not ratio the number of consoles shipped to the number of consoles repaired/returned.
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which is what I am attempting to do.. except that is near impossible to poll... unfortunately :-\

It's not hard to find out how many total Ps2 systems are sold.

BUT it is impossible to find out which NEW Ps2 was sold and then was returned.  That would require tracking of each individual S/N.... and that's  unfortunately... impossible.

You can, however, track which system has the most returns and is seen in the shops more or which is sent back more.  Tracking beyond that would be near impossible for people in our positions.... AND would prove to be immensely time consuming and very expensive.

One of my direct representatives is cool enough to give me industry reports by month.  I'm only allowed to view and not reproduce on the site though....  I asked, but they said it's for my knowledge only.  One of the reports was very very indepth. 

guys/gals keep it clean and friendly. Points can be made... as well as light arguments withouth picking on or bashing others. Just keep it nice and clean.

Bv :hat
 
Nephlabobo said:
All I know is both my friend and I (who lived in Korea at the same time I did and now also lives in Japan) both have our original PS2s.

He got his about a year after mine and I've had mine almost 5 years. Never had a problem with either.
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that's pretty cool actually.

you know... I am very curious on how (in Japan) the Ps2 hardware sales figures are always so high. Do people buy more than 3 consoles each? Are there tons of collectors editions or something?

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Nephlabobo said:
All I know is both my friend and I (who lived in Korea at the same time I did and now also lives in Japan) both have our original PS2s.

He got his about a year after mine and I've had mine almost 5 years. Never had a problem with either.
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Thanks for directly responding to my evidence that you whined so long for.

I'm waiting for your evidence that you tout so highly of. *Taps foot* Until then, I'm as right as can be. :lol :lol
 
Nephlabobo said:
Can you post without being beligerent?
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I grow tired of fruitless arguments and that is the result of such weariness. You ask for information, I give you information. You neglect information, aggrivation ensues.
 
Nephlabobo said:
Yes, you don't want to hear the "me and my friend have no problems with our PS2s" because it disputes your story that every PS2 breaks.

But you want to use the "me and 200 other friends all had our PS2s break! OMG Sony is Teh devil! Suxors!" speech because it suits your purposes.

Omission of truth - aggrAvation ensues.
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Class action lawsuits that have been successful speak volumes more than you and a friend of yours from down the road, or wherever he may be.

BTW - you want to use Shinji Mikami as a source of credibility?

This is the same guy who said he'd cut off his own head if RE4 went to Sony. Using this nutball as proof doesn't back up your case.
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I concur that he is a bit of a fruitbasket, but I agree with him completely. I think Sony's malicious enough to do it (that is to say, purposefully malwire - but that's not the argument here). I could understand the dispute if he was the only source, but he's not. Call your local EB. Do whatever it takes to make you happy - Sony's hardware is the most faulty. End.
 
As a matter of fact, X Box hardware IS bad. I'm not positive if it's worse or better than Sony's, but probably around the same region, at least with the Thompson drives. I'd wager a failure rate lower than Sony's, but definitely on par in generics.
 
Nephlabobo said:
There's the rub - you *think* Sony is malicious enough to do it. Not "I have evidence Sony does this".
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Uhm, that had nothing to do with my statement, thus the additional parenthetic statement beside it stating it was my opinion. I do personally think that. It's not part of this discussion, though.
 
Well...in my opinion...Nintendo products are the worst...as they always seem to fail my friends. Worse than Sony and Microsoft combined.
 
Hm. I have yet to have a console break.

Now to get back on topic. I think it's not a huge deal that the PS2 dropped in price. Mainly because the PS3 is right around the corner.
 
I too haven't had the disfortune of having a console break on me. My Xbox broke back when I had one, but that was my fault.
 
Dart said:
Now to get back on topic. I think it's not a huge deal that the PS2 dropped in price. Mainly because the PS3 is right around the corner.
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True, I wouldn't be surprised to see another drop when the PS3 actually does come out.
 
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