Steven M. Greer releases UFO photographs!

I have better things to do than research UFOs or watch documentaries on them. I have seen a few shows about them (on the History Channel) but to me investigating the matter makes no more sense than trying to find Bigfoot.

You can believe if you want, but no contact will be made with aliens, ever. I stake my reputation on that.

But seriously, i find the idea of aliens coming and visiting us is a bit far fetched. Even if there is life out there how would it even be possible for them to travel that vast distances of space? We're talking trips that would take years at the speed of light. And is speed of light is way way way out of Human capabilities.

Wormholes? I suppose that it's possible but nothing has ever proven that they even exist. And if aliens where to come here why would they be so reclusive? What would be the point of intelligences vastly greater than our own to swoop around and scare the living daylights out of people?

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Great points.

SpartanEvolved said:

I have better things to do than research UFOs or watch documentaries on them. I have seen a few shows about them (on the History Channel) but to me investigating the matter makes no more sense than trying to find Bigfoot.

You can believe if you want, but no contact will be made with aliens, ever. I stake my reputation on that.

Great points.

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You have better things to do than actually find proof for what you're saying...Sooo you're admitting to just throwing some baseless claims? That sounds pretty compelling. Your reputation doesn't mean much when you're dealing with an online community either...sooo I don't know where you're headed with that one.

Alright, I can't disprove their existence with my current knowledge. But can you prove their existence?

well if this universe never ends, we cant be the only living things in it.

and can i have a link to a bunch of the photos?

nvm here it is

http://www.cseti.org/trainingphotos.htm

stealth toilet said:

Actually there were two crashes near Roswell, both occurred shortly after several successful nuclear devices were tested. The fact that you only knew of one proves that you really are unaware of much of the evidence that supports the idea that UFO's are proof of life existing elsewhere. As well, taking a cheap shot with the tinfoil hat does nothing to further your argument. Rather it proves that what you cannot deny with logic, you will do so with slander. Bravo.

The fact that it would be such a huge world changing event is precisely why any government in power would go to great lengths to cover it up. Governments don't want things to change, they want things to stay exactly as they are. So long as people go to work and pay their taxes everyone in the government can relax because their power and their wealth is in tact. If news got out that aliens did exist and that they were visiting our planet, how many people would go to work the next day?

People have gone to the public, many times (seriously, have you ever actually looked into the Roswell incident, or any others for that matter?). The government has used every trick in the bag to try to cover it all up, but they have screwed up numerous times. Mixed stories, military men who have been ordered never to repeat what they've seen, court ordered restrictions on documents that would shed light on the issue... if there wasn't anything to cover up, if it had simply been a military craft or a weather balloon, why would all this secrecy remain to this day? If there was a simple, logical explanation, why wasn't one ever given? How come UFO sites are constantly riddled with secrecy and conflicting reports? You're absolutely right, they have had a heck of a time getting the cat back in the bag, but when people fail to research something properly before they declare it to be true or false, it sure makes it a lot easier.

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You pretty well got the point across that I was trying to prove to these "meat heads" earlyier. It takes people like you to drill it threw people with thick skulls and not much brain.

That's almost considered a flame, please watch what you say here.

And no, people aren't "meat heads" for having opinions. Jesus.

Retro Hero said:

That's almost considered a flame, please watch what you say here.

And no, people aren't "meat heads" for having opinions. Jesus.

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Yeah, no doubt. To answer your question Spartan, It's just my opinion that they exist. I can't prove it. I'll just believe what I believe and you can believe what you want to believe.

I saw E.T. I am convinced.

Alright, I can't disprove their existence with my current knowledge. But can you prove their existence?

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Yes. Go to:

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/sfhome.html

And start by reading the letter he wrote to the History channel concerning Roswell. It's the best example of how a lot of people spin half-truths and speculation and try to write them off as facts. It also gives you a good indication of Friedman's extensive research habits and attention to detail. He has actually spent weeks researching single documents because some people opposing his views stated the documents he had were forged due to a comma between the date and the year, or an improper use of title (referring to someone as "General" instead of "Brigadier General"). He, of course, proved them wrong.

The site is of course just a starting point, but it's a great one. It sticks to the facts, verifiable evidence that has been meticulously studied by numerous professionals. It would be even more convincing if you read all the books he cites and refers to, but that would take forever and is a bit unnecessary.

Ultimately you end up having to weigh the evidence and make a judgement call. Aside from seeing an alien yourself there's not first hand way of proving or disproving the existence of aliens, but the evidence in support of there existence is overwhelming, and keeping in mind that if only one encounter out of tens of thousands with alien life is true then that one encounter provides all the proof you need. I can't prove to you that Tokyo is an actual city that exists on the earth by taking you there, but I think looking at the evidence in support of it's existence you and I could come to the reasonable and logical conclusion that it does in fact exist.

If you willfully ignore documentaries and books on the subject, then of course you won't believe they exist. The website will only lead you to water, you still have to make the decision to drink from it. And until you do, you really shouldn't advocate the debate one way or another. Friedman points out the 4 things "noisy negatives" always do when debunking UFO's, and I can respectfully say you are guilty of 2 of them:

#1 What the public doesn't know, we are not going to tell them.

#2 Don't bother us with the facts, our minds are made up.

#3 If we can't attack the data, we will attack the people; it is much easier.

#4 Do one's research by proclamation, rather than investigation. It is much easier and most people won't know the difference.

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nbgoku said:

This is one of the pictures he released, it of a "rod" (did anyone see that Fox documentary on them?):

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What does an out of focus, night vision shot of some old people sleeping in chairs behind either...

...an industrial sized post hole auger...

...or, a string of pennants flapping in the wind...

...have to do with UFOs? People are weird. :?

Ah, but how many of you belive in spirit communication through theta waves? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theta_rhythm

question 1... why would the government care if there were ufo's? (other than defending our planet in case of hostiles.)

question #2 ... if they were aliens or there are, who is to say they don't look exactly like us? maybe wearing costumes as a joke.

I mean... if they looked like us... they could live among us without us ever knowing.

#3 why does everyone associate ufo's with aliens all the time? I mean... they could be secret tech. from another country... or another country doing tests. it doesn't mean 'aliens' just because it's a ufo.

so... if an alien looked like us... would they be an alien? :lol

Bluevoodu said:

question 1... why would the government care if there were ufo's? (other than defending our planet in case of hostiles.)

question #2 ... if they were aliens or there are, who is to say they don't look exactly like us? maybe wearing costumes as a joke.

I mean... if they looked like us... they could live among us without us ever knowing.

#3 why does everyone associate ufo's with aliens all the time? I mean... they could be secret tech. from another country... or another country doing tests. it doesn't mean 'aliens' just because it's a ufo.

so... if an alien looked like us... would they be an alien? :lol

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#1: economic collapse.

#3: if we don't posses the knowledge to make craft that behave like most UFO's, then some other being must have.

#2: it's a definite possibility, but pursuing that line of thinking would inevitably lead to a dead end, so for the time being I don't think it is a hypothesis that is considered too greatly. Also, if aliens looked like us, they would still be aliens. The word "alien" simply refers to something that is foreign to a particular environment. And even then one could say that the particular environment was "alien" to the thing in question. It doesn't necessarily imply physical characteristics.

nbgoku said:

Steven M. Greer releases UFO photographs!


This is one of the pictures he released, it of a "rod" (did anyone see that Fox documentary on them?):


this is my fourth post here, so i hope its ok ... i thought the UFO pictures would be cool to share, dunno could just be me though heh OP
i hope some of you'll get a kick out of this post hehe O)

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1 thing though... I don't get how they can say this "rod" has anything to do with UFOs?

TEchnically... it might not be flying...

BV :hat

stealth toilet said:

#1: economic collapse.

#3: if we don't posses the knowledge to make craft that behave like most UFO's, then some other being must have.

#2: it's a definite possibility, but pursuing that line of thinking would inevitably lead to a dead end, so for the time being I don't think it is a hypothesis that is considered too greatly. Also, if aliens looked like us, they would still be aliens. The word "alien" simply refers to something that is foreign to a particular environment. And even then one could say that the particular environment was "alien" to the thing in question. It doesn't necessarily imply physical characteristics.

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I highly doubt there would be economic collapse. Nor do I believe there would be mass hysteria. Sure... some people would be freaked for awhile, but then they would have to accept it.

#3 ... if we don't have it... maybe another country does. Or maybe another person does. But it doesn't have to be another "being." Even if it came from another planet.

And the term alien... I understand that... but would illegal aliens be called illegal aliens anymore? IT's almost like they would have to come up with a new classification for those who live on Earth and those that do not :lol ... IE foreigners to our country that come in without status = aliens... they might have to use a different name for them.

Regardless.... I don't doubt that space could contain other life. For some reason, I think if there are aliens... they would look just like us. Dead end or not... There are reasons for this logic as well. I'm not saying there couldn't be other types... but I really think if there were aliens... that they would be just like us.

Which brings me to another subject. I think UFOs (in the alien sense could be real)... but I do not believe the drawings of aliens people show or say they were abducted by... and the like.

BV :hat