Xbox Live problems. NAT is open, ports fowarded, yet I lag? HELP.

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| CROWLEY |

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So, I'm not a huge internet person. I until today, was unaware of wtf all this IP, NAT, MTU mumbo jumbo meant.

I have been playing COD4 for a while and have had no problems, hell, before that I played Gears for about a year and a half. Sniper king =D. Anyways, I had minor lag issues with my wireless here and there, I'd reset the router and it was fine.

Now all of a sudden, out of fucking no where's. I'm lagging balls all over the place, constantly. I called xbox live and they told me I need to foward my UDP88, UDP3074, TCP3074 ports in order to get an open NAT setting. I had already had to get an open NAT when I first got me xbox, along with a new Linksys WRT54G router. So now I have to open them again? WTF. So, I fowarded those ports, assinged a static IP address to my xbox and BAM. They were open. I fist pumped in triumph. Until I got on COD4. Yellow, Green, Yellow, Green. LAGGGGGGG.

I called xbox back, they had me do some system maintenance with a mortal combat button combo in the hardrive settings. Of course, the guy was from India and I understood nothing he said. Overall, he just apologized that microsoft sucks on nads and offered no real help.

Could anyone give me suggestions on what this lag could be?

I have a Linksys WRT54G router, wireless network adapter.
My signal strength is full bars all the time, yet I still lag.
My ports are forwarded.
I want to shoot Bill Gates.
Help!
 
1) Bill Gates no longer works for Microsoft and, when he did, had little to nothing to do with the Xbox department.
2) Microsoft does not "suck on nads," I work for them.
3) Wireless, while it should be faster than practically all residential internet connections, is not always the case and was not designed for gaming in mind. You could have something interfering with the signal, such as a cordless phone or a microwave. Anything's possible for interference with a wireless network.
4) Update your firmware, preferably to DD-WRT; the OEM Linksys firmware "sucks on nads" as you would put it.
5) Just because you achieve decent speeds downloading stuff from the internet does not automatically mean that you have a fantastic connection to all the servers you're trying to play on with games. For all you know, your connection could be bouncing around like a Jack Russell on Red Bull between your house and the server, causing more and more lag with each stop. I'd say you could try a traceroute, but it probably wouldn't tell you much anyway.

Remember, there's an almost unlimited number of things that could be the problem, though blaming Microsoft as a company isn't going to help any of them. It could range from interference at your house, to your ISP not upgrading and having too many users on the same node, thus bogging down your connection (my ISP is to blame for this, they and their cursed monopoly in the area....), to your connection being redirected all over the place, to the server being slow, to Xbox Live being at peak hours, to divine intervention. You also want to check other devices connected to the network around the house. If someone's downloading something (torrents especially), your connection on Xbox Live is going to be terrible. Either stop the downloading, or set up QoS in your router and disable it from there while you're gaming.
 
trkorecky said:
1) Bill Gates no longer works for Microsoft and, when he did, had little to nothing to do with the Xbox department.
2) Microsoft does not "suck on nads," I work for them.
3) Wireless, while it should be faster than practically all residential internet connections, is not always the case and was not designed for gaming in mind. You could have something interfering with the signal, such as a cordless phone or a microwave. Anything's possible for interference with a wireless network.
4) Update your firmware, preferably to DD-WRT; the OEM Linksys firmware "sucks on nads" as you would put it.
5) Just because you achieve decent speeds downloading stuff from the internet does not automatically mean that you have a fantastic connection to all the servers you're trying to play on with games. For all you know, your connection could be bouncing around like a Jack Russell on Red Bull between your house and the server, causing more and more lag with each stop. I'd say you could try a traceroute, but it probably wouldn't tell you much anyway.

Remember, there's an almost unlimited number of things that could be the problem, though blaming Microsoft as a company isn't going to help any of them. It could range from interference at your house, to your ISP not upgrading and having too many users on the same node, thus bogging down your connection (my ISP is to blame for this, they and their cursed monopoly in the area....), to your connection being redirected all over the place, to the server being slow, to Xbox Live being at peak hours, to divine intervention. You also want to check other devices connected to the network around the house. If someone's downloading something (torrents especially), your connection on Xbox Live is going to be terrible. Either stop the downloading, or set up QoS in your router and disable it from there while you're gaming.
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All right well I appreciate your help. I wasn't bashing on Microsoft in general, just their customer support. Call xbox and see if you can find a person that actually speaks English...well. Not going to happen. Bunch of foreigners working for 4 cents an hour.
 
I have the same router. Can you tell me how you got everything open?
 
Lagging balls, hm. I'm afraid thats a bigger problem than your internet. :lol

Nah, probably just some interference with your wireless device. Cordless phone, microwave etc.
 
fhqwhgads said:
I have the same router. Can you tell me how you got everything open?
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Absolutely. First you need to set a static IP address to your xbox360.
http://www.portforward.com/networking/staticip-xbox360.htm That will give you step by step on how to do it.

Once you do that.
http://live.tommccann.net/
That is step by step on how to port forward. If you can't get it, let me know. I'll give you directions. With those links it should be easy though =D

It's port Start 88 End 88, protocol:UDP
Port start 3074 end 3074 protocol:BOTH

Hope that helps!
 
fhqwhgads said:
Thanks. Know how to do it with the Wii, as well?
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It would be the same thing, set a static IP and open the ports. The only problem is finding out what ports and protocol to open. Call Nintendo and ask what ports are needed to forward for online gaming. Then just set the static IP and forward the ports =D
 
fhqwhgads said:
Thanks. Know how to do it with the Wii, as well?
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This quote is from a popular thread over at GameFAQs on the Wii's online problems.

PORT FORWARDING:

Open your PC's web browser and enter http://192.168.1.1 (linksys) ~OR~ http://192.168.2.1 (belkin) in the address bar. Enter your name/pass for your router. Default is usually blank or admin/admin (this varies by brand). You will now see your router's config page! Linksys, go to advanced, then forwarding. Belkin, go to firewall, then virtual servers.

In the boxes, open the following ports:

TCP:
Allow traffic to all destinations on ports: 28910, 29900, 29901, 29920, 80, and 443

UDP:
Allow all traffic to all destinations. (Necessary for peer-to-peer connections and game play).

Now, you need to create a static IP.

STATIC IP:

Access your router's settings and find the available range of IP addresses. (This is typically found within the DHCP information.)

When you find this information, select one of the available IP addresses and enter this, along with the Subnet and Gateway addresses, through the manual settings on the Wii (how to).

If you can't find the range of IP Addresses in the router settings, you can usually view them through your computer's IP configuration settings (see "View Your IP Configuration Settings" section below). Add "10" to the number in the last slot and enter the IP address in the manual settings of the Wii.

You will then need to enter the DNS server information of your computer into the Wii as well. To do this you will need to determine your IP configuration settings (see "View Your IP Configuration Settings" section below). This will give you the basic information for all network devices installed on the PC. Included in this will be the DNS Servers information you will need to enter through the manual settings on the Wii. If only a primary DNS is listed, use that number in both the primary and secondary slots of the Wii's system settings.
Restart the Wii.

To View Your IP Configuration Settings:

Click the "Start" button in the lower left-hand corner of your computer.
Click "Run."
Type "cmd" into the box and press Enter.
Type "IPCONFIG/ALL" and press Enter.

CONGRATULATIONS!

Your Wii is now set to NAT 2!

The following are my sources:
http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/wii/en_na/onlineWirelessRouterTroubleshooting.jsp
http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/wii/en_na/onlineFirewall.jsp
http://portforward.com/guides.htm
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fhqwhgads said:
How do I do the UDP part?
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In your routers Applications & Gaming section, where you open the port. It has a drop down menu for "protocol". It has TCP, UDP or BOTH.
 
fhqwhgads said:
Yeah, but how do I open them all?
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Application Start End Protocol IP Address Enable
xboxL1 88 88 UDP 192.168.1.--- (checked)

xboxL2 3074 3074 BOTH 192.168.1.--- (checked)


That is what it should look like in your router settings for xbox live. The IP address is whatever you set the static for your xbox. If you don't know what to do now, I don't know what to tell you. That's a complete visual, if you don't know what to do then...
 
| CROWLEY | said:
Application Start End Protocol IP Address Enable
xboxL1 88 88 UDP 192.168.1.--- (checked)

xboxL2 3074 3074 BOTH 192.168.1.--- (checked)


That is what it should look like in your router settings for xbox live. The IP address is whatever you set the static for your xbox. If you don't know what to do now, I don't know what to tell you. That's a complete visual, if you don't know what to do then...
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Well, thanks, but no, not that, the part that says:
UDP:
Allow all traffic to all destinations. (Necessary for peer-to-peer connections and game play).
 
fhqwhgads said:
Well, thanks, but no, not that, the part that says:
UDP:
Allow all traffic to all destinations. (Necessary for peer-to-peer connections and game play).
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I am not understanding what the question is, call me stupid but it's just not clicking for me. I showed you what all the settings should look like in your router settings, it is a linksys WRT54G correct? If it is, then there shouldn't be anymore questions, just follow the 'picture I painted'.
 
fhqwhgads said:
Well, thanks, but no, not that, the part that says:
UDP:
Allow all traffic to all destinations. (Necessary for peer-to-peer connections and game play).
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Just allow ports 1-5000 or something. Doesn't really matter.
 
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