Having An Interest In Gore And Violence Doesn't Make You Any Less Of A Person

Hi Members,

I was on the bus today with a friend going into town.We were discussing the Internet and stuff.I brought up the topic about all the gory stuff on certain sites such as crime scene photos and such,when an elderly made a comment about how disgusting these pictures are,and that we should know better,and wrong for us to watch these.

Normally,I would talk back and tell to mind your own business,but she was an elderly woman and I knew her heart was in the right place and cared to some extent otherwise she wouldn't have bothered us so I just made on like we were sorry that she had to listen to this kind of talk,and changed the subject.But what I truly wanted to yell in her ear,and anyone else that says that kind of thing to me when they don't even know me.

I'm not apologizing for having an interest in this kind of material.It's not like as a young child that I woke up and said that when I grow up I want to take interest in other people's ultimate demise,and to talk about morbid subjects.I didn't ask for this.It's just part of me,whom am I to question God's intent?It doesn't make any less of a person in my heart.It's not like I go out and kill people,hurt people,or animals.

One could argue that it's not God's fault.It's because of adults corrupting young minds and bad parenting.If that's the cause for this kind of interest in gore,then that would mean entire parenting world is corrupt.There are plenty of people that are raised in a loving way,have honest jobs,and who are all around decent people,yet they still have an interest in this gory and disturbing material.

It's my belief that for some strange reason a lot of people(not all),are attracted to violence.Have you ever noticed that when a fist fight goes down in the schoolyard or at work,that people race to the area to watch?Why do you see millions of people attending Boxing matches or "UFC" fights.I truly don't know why.

I'm very interested to know your opinion on this issue.

God Bless,
MR.KAZ 1:8

Well it just stands to prove that we live in a nasty and horrid world that is spinning into chaos and ultimate destruction and since there is no more good left in the world that things of negative and evil connotations will rise to power and rule our lives inciting fear, violence, gruesome and gore within our very minds; hence, we are attracted to these morbid things.

I find anything of gore gut wrenching and painful.

Thakyou for changing the subject on account of the old lady. I like to see violence in cartoons and movies at times...if it has to do with the plot, but I don't enjoy seeing people actually die...even if it is just pretend.

As for the type of sites you mentioned, if u were discussing them on the bus near me it would have made me super sad and I would start feeling depressed and overwhelmed, because I cannot stand to see those sorts of things where it shows a human's soul being taken from them online for others entertainment.

So, whether you are normal er not er whatever, I am glad you quit talking about it by others, because it would have been very disturbing to me.

Starynight and Mrs E basically put it in simply there.

Violence is everywhere, always has, always will. It's a simply Ying and Yang kinda thing. It's how you visualise it that matters.

Starrynite said:

Well it just stands to prove that we live in a nasty and horrid world that is spinning into chaos and ultimate destruction and since there is no more good left in the world that things of negative and evil connotations will rise to power and rule our lives inciting fear, violence, gruesome and gore within our very minds; hence, we are attracted to these morbid things.

I find anything of gore gut wrenching and painful.

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Hi Starrynite,I hope this quote finds you well..truly I do.Please don't take this the wrong way,but your reply scares me more than some of the gore I spoke of.Although I agree with some of your views,it's as if you've been hurt by this world.I am not a therapist,nor am I saying you need one,but please PM me if you need to talk to someone.

This might sound like a stupid example,but I'm a huge fan of "The Trailer Park Boys".There is a scene where Lahey makes a comment to Randy about how mental health professionals causing more problems than they cure,but in all fairness they do help some people,but in my experience, what Lahey said rings true.

I truly hope your are ok.

God Bless,
KAZMAIER

Starrynite said:

Well it just stands to prove that we live in a nasty and horrid world that is spinning into chaos and ultimate destruction and since there is no more good left in the world that things of negative and evil connotations will rise to power and rule our lives inciting fear, violence, gruesome and gore within our very minds; hence, we are attracted to these morbid things.

I find anything of gore gut wrenching and painful.

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No good left in the world? Pour some water in your glass, because its all the way empty.

Starrynite said:

Well it just stands to prove that we live in a nasty and horrid world that is spinning into chaos and ultimate destruction and since there is no more good left in the world that things of negative and evil connotations will rise to power and rule our lives inciting fear, violence, gruesome and gore within our very minds; hence, we are attracted to these morbid things.

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Umm....ok. :lol

If this was actually true, human civilization would have collapsed long ago, when gladiators were the athletes and killing was the sport. We've been progressively moving away from violence since then.

And there is nothing wrong with looking at these violent images. If you think that, pay no yield to what the woman said, but if you do believe that there is something wrong with it, try to change it instead of calling it God's will. As I said though, I see nothing personally wrong with it.

SpartanEvolved said:

No good left in the world? Pour some water in your glass, because its all the way empty.

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There is no good left in the world. Every thing we do that is good is immediately countered by more bad and evil acts. There is no way to be happy or to live happy. There is no golden age, no time for joy, or even a time to celebrate. There is only a time to live in solitude and despair. Any happiness is a delusion and attempts to cover the true sadness that is felt within. Gloom, doom, and fear is what is driving us to survive in a life filled with no good. There is no point to continue living.

Starrynite said:

There is no good left in the world. Every thing we do that is good is immediately countered by more bad and evil acts. There is no way to be happy or to live happy. There is no golden age, no time for joy, or even a time to celebrate. There is only a time to live in solitude and despair. Any happiness is a delusion and attempts to cover the true sadness that is felt within. Gloom, doom, and fear is what is driving us to survive in a life filled with no good. There is no point to continue living.

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a very smart man once said the only purpose of living is living the best you can... sure there is gloom and sadness but that doesn't stop me in doing what i want to do, my life objectives and my dreams, i might not be happy all the time but the fact that i still feel joy makes me believe there is still good in this world

Starrynite said:

There is no good left in the world. Every thing we do that is good is immediately countered by more bad and evil acts. There is no way to be happy or to live happy. There is no golden age, no time for joy, or even a time to celebrate. There is only a time to live in solitude and despair. Any happiness is a delusion and attempts to cover the true sadness that is felt within. Gloom, doom, and fear is what is driving us to survive in a life filled with no good. There is no point to continue living.

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o...k...

Zidart said:

a very smart man once said the only purpose of living is living the best you can... sure there is gloom and sadness but that doesn't stop me in doing what i want to do, my life objectives and my dreams, i might not be happy all the time but the fact that i still feel joy makes me believe there is still good in this world

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Couldn't have said it better myself!

I think some people do have an unhealthy interest in violence and gore.

As Mrs. E and Scyth pointed out, violence is something that occurs and exists in our world, although I would say it is too heavily emphasized in our culture. I don't think indulging in violent behaviour and thoughts is a good thing, either for yourself as an individual or for those around you. Finding out the root causes of violence and eliminating them from society is a goal that permeates nearly every human society. Crimes of passion and the like will never be eliminated, but resorting to violence as an option is something we can change in the minds of people. Its just going to take a lot of time and effort. And violence for violence's sake is something that can and should be eliminated easily. Nobody wants to live in a violent society.

You brought up the UFC matches, which I think is an important example of violence in a controlled setting. The combatants in a UFC match are trained for combat, they know full well what they are getting into, and they abide by the rules of the league in order to participate. Although they engage in "violent" combat, there are controls set in place to minimize the damage one opponent can do to another. I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to see combatants compete in this type of "sport," because there is more to it than simple blood lust. Technique, strategy, fitness, and improvisation all contribute to winning a match, and so there are elements other than brute violence at work which make the UFC entertaining.

But unchecked violence, in which one party does not want to participate, is another thing entirely. Wanting to see another person get hurt and feel pain is sadism, which is the result of an inability to empathize with other human beings, which is commonly known as psychopathy. From what little I understand of psychology calling a sadist is a "psychopath" is no longer accurate, for there are degrees with which someone can be unable to empathize. If there are any psychologists here, feel free to elaborate or correct my meager attempt to define the word. In any event, these desires or feelings, however "innate" you feel they are to your character, are destructive and dangerous to indulge in. They are not healthy, and not keeping them in check could perpetuate the cycle of violence.

I know this may sound weird coming from a guy who wants Pikmin to die more realistically in battle, but again I think that context is what's important. Wanting to see two guys duke it out in a UFC match I believe has merit, but wanting to see someone get beat up on a schoolyard just for the sake of it, is sick. Video games and movies I feel have a bit more free reign when it comes to fictitiously depicting what would otherwise be inappropriate content, because many times the point and purpose of art is to push the boundaries of our understanding. But in real life, to want to see real people dead in crime scenes... well I have to agree with the elderly woman Kaz, you can probably find better ways to spend your time.

There is definitely good in this world, I see it everyday. Someone holding a door open for an old lady? That is good. Is it going to change the world? No, but it is someone helping someone for no reason other than to be nice.

Some old friend of my dad's buying our family's meal at a restaurant for no reason? That's good too, completely selfless.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/01/AR2007010100759.html

Sacrificing your life to save your friends? That is a act of pure good. You can view it as a loss of life and view the world as an awful place, or you can see that there are plenty of people with good hearts doing good deeds everywhere, all the time.

Hi Members,

I must say,you all have made astute and intelligent observations.

The thing I can't understand(Or the rest of the world perhaps) is something that we may never understand cannot be answered by anyone except God is:I feel as though maybe humans are predisposed to a natural interest in violence.Again,I use the example of Schoolyard fights,Boxing Matches,and the UFC.

For the life of me,I can't figure out why we are.With all due respect to God,I think it kind of interferes with the free will thing.It's almost as if we are paying for Adam and Eve's curiosity.Thank God for Christ! :lol

MR. KAZ what do you mean? Everyone is inclined to negativity and evility; the natural order of increasing chaos is dictating our very lives. Violence is spawned from chaos and fear. The lack of security increases fear and the threat of experiencing increased fear is to carry out some action. Because fear is also always increasing violence must increase. There is no alternative it is just that it must increase. As people driven by fear, there is always a growing increase in seeing the results of fear and acknowledging that it takes place.

Chaos, Fear, Insecurity must increase in order for life to go on as we see for all time past, present, and in what little future we all have. There is no point to question or reflect upon but just to accept it and realize that it only ends in death and destruction.

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I think I feel the same as Stealth on this one. Watching a violent sporting event such as U.F.C is one thing, sitting on a gore site all day or watching faces of death videos is another thing. I do believe that as humans we have a natural curiosity when it comes to violence, but there is a point where it can become unhealthy. In my honest opinion, anybody who actually enjoys looking on a gore site, or does it for an extended period of time, is not quite right in the head and they need to step away from their computers for a while.

MR.KAZ said:

The thing I can't understand(Or the rest of the world perhaps) is something that we may never understand cannot be answered by anyone except God is:I feel as though maybe humans are predisposed to a natural interest in violence.Again,I use the example of Schoolyard fights,Boxing Matches,and the UFC.

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It really is quite simple. Humans (specifically males) relied on hunting for their livelihood for thousands of years. Those who didn't have the stomach for it and detested it couldn't hunt and died out. Those who enjoyed it were probably significantly more successful. Predisposition to violence was once necessary for survival.

With all due respect to God,I think it kind of interferes with the free will thing.

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The fact that we actually have a form and a mind and a predisposition to anything violates free will, to a point. In fact, we may not have any free will at all, our mind simply taking in information around us and drawing a conclusion. If enough was known about the way a mind works, it's possible that the actions and decisions made by that mind could be predicted in the same way physicists can predict the earth's orbit.

Starrynite said:

MR. KAZ what do you mean? Everyone is inclined to negativity and evility; the natural order of increasing chaos is dictating our very lives. Violence is spawned from chaos and fear. The lack of security increases fear and the threat of experiencing increased fear is to carry out some action. Because fear is also always increasing violence must increase. There is no alternative it is just that it must increase. As people driven by fear, there is always a growing increase in seeing the results of fear and acknowledging that it takes place.

Chaos, Fear, Insecurity must increase in order for life to go on as we see for all time past, present, and in what little future we all have. There is no point to question or reflect upon but just to accept it and realize that it only ends in death and destruction.

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Hi Starrynite!

My apologies,but I don't think I've ever come across a post as convoluted as this one.I have absolutely no idea what your trying to get across.I don't mean this in a bad way,but I'm having difficulty trying to figure out what your post means.

No Disrespect intended.MR.KAZ

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MR. KAZ what do you mean? Everyone is inclined to negativity and evility; the natural order of increasing chaos is dictating our very lives. Violence is spawned from chaos and fear. The lack of security increases fear and the threat of experiencing increased fear is to carry out some action. Because fear is also always increasing violence must increase. There is no alternative it is just that it must increase. As people driven by fear, there is always a growing increase in seeing the results of fear and acknowledging that it takes place.

Chaos, Fear, Insecurity must increase in order for life to go on as we see for all time past, present, and in what little future we all have. There is no point to question or reflect upon but just to accept it and realize that it only ends in death and destruction.

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Everyone has a tendancy to move towards things that are negative and evil.

Violence is a result of the fear that people have in facing things that are negative and evil.

As a result of living in a world full of negative and evil things, chaos thrives. Chaos is the over ruling entity in our lives. A fear of approaching Chaos (evil and negativity) causes people to do things that they wouldnt have ever imagined. These things can include inflicting acts of violence on others, taking advantage of other people, or living lives that are solely self fulfilling while ignoring the emotions and wishes of others.

A lack of a feeling of high personal security cause people to do more negative and evil things. When one lacks a feeling of security they will experience fear. To respond to this fear they will do things that can be considered "chaotic" or things that will cause them to act in a negative or even violent fashion.

As a result, fear is also always increasing so violence must increase. There is no alternative, it is just that it must increase. As people driven by fear, there is always a growing interest in seeing the results of fear and acknowledging that it takes place. Chaos, Fear, Insecurity must increase in order for life to go on as we see for all time past, present, and in what little future we all have. There is no point to question or reflect upon but just to accept it and realize that it only ends in death and destruction.

Homicidal Cherry53 said:

It really is quite simple. Humans (specifically males) relied on hunting for their livelihood for thousands of years. Those who didn't have the stomach for it and detested it couldn't hunt and died out. Those who enjoyed it were probably significantly more successful. Predisposition to violence was once necessary for survival.

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Not necessarily. Fruits and Vegetables made up the majority of early man's diet. Even today only a small percentage of the earth's population eat meat on a regular basis, and the majority of people alive right now are vegetarians. Keep in mind, they're not necessarily vegetarians by choice, meat is just more expensive than rice, wheat, and so forth. Moreover, even looking specifically at First Nations peoples (Native Americans), tribal preservation was more dependent on living in tune with the environment, excessive killing of Buffalo and Bison would have resulted in starvation. Hunting for exploitation to extinction would not have been a productive evolutionary trait. If anything it would give credence to the argument that early man's violent tendencies toward animals were actually kept in check by nature. Don't hunt, and maybe you'll die if you can't find other sources of food. Hunt too much, and everyone dies, or at least be forced to change their hunting lifestyle for a non-hunting (agrarian, I suppose) one.

But of course, we are talking about killing animals, and not people. Killing an animal for survival is one thing. Killing a person for survival is another. Killing a person for reasons that do not relate to one's survival in the strictest sense of the word is yet another thing. I'm not saying you're wrong Cherry, but I don't think its quite as simple as you implied. I think you're crossing dots 1 and 5 without going through 2, 3, and 4, and so the picture you're drawing may not be accurate.

I also think the words "predisposition" and "natural" (used by Kaz) are a bit misleading. Again this gets into the argument of sociology versus biology: are we products of our environment, or products of our genetics? Saying we are "predisposed" to certain behaviours is to assume one side or another on this debate, and neither can be proven conclusively. Everyone is inclined to believe what they want on the issue, but I think its just as likely that people are born "predisposed" to do good as they are to do evil.

Everyone has a tendancy to move towards things that are negative and evil.

Violence is a result of the fear that people have in facing things that are negative and evil.

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You're using a lot of absolutes, I think you'd be hard pressed to prove that "everyone has a tendency" to anything, let alone "evil." I would agree that most people, at one time or another, do feel fear, and that a lot of people feel it often. But people don't always act upon their feelings, fear or otherwise. People act based on a number of different factors, and there are many instances where people act in spite of or contradictory to how they feel. Many people have many feelings which they never act on, self-control and reason play a big part in a person's decision making process. People feel angry without lashing out in anger, people feel sad without crying, people work when they feel lazy, and people will do good even if their feelings make them want to do bad.

I would say that everyone faces negative things throughout their life, probably on a regular basis, but I'd also say the majority of people who have these feelings do not then reciprocate them in order to make someone else feel the same thing.

Those are my thoughts anyway, take'em for what they're worth.

stealth toilet said:

I would say that everyone faces negative things throughout their life, probably on a regular basis

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It just proves that we live in a dreadful horrible world that is on the way to destruction. There is no good left in the world at all, exactly.